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how's everybody go how's everybody doing

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sorry i am nervous for the first time in

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a while since i have three guests today

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well one co-host and two guests who i

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will bring in one by one first

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joining us from

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parts unknown in the southeast michael

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bai michael

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hi joe thank you thank you for being

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here again

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good to be here

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yeah and

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next up

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all the way from canada

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researcher author investigative

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investigator grant cameron grant thank

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you for being here yeah joe thanks for

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having me on

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and

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finally

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the man

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the myth chase williams

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i really appreciate you guys having me i

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haven't done anything uh but um i'll

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talk about my experiences and answer any

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questions any of you might have

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yeah thanks everybody for being here i'm

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going to start off by saying um just i'm

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going to i'm going to rewind back to

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1997 in june

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i was listening to art bell coast to

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coast in the middle of the night i had

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to work the next day but it didn't

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matter because i would stay up till 5 or

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6 a.m listening and then he had stephen

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greer on and it was

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or may it was may of 1997 and

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greer had just spoken about he had

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briefings in april of that year in 97

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they went on capitol hill he says we

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also gave a briefing to a

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joint

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chief staffs level fella

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um and it was received very well and i'm

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like he gave a briefing you know to a

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joint chiefs guy really so that was the

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first time i heard of

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greer speaking with somebody at that

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level and then

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let's fast forward to 2018 and grant

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pick it up from there

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okay so i'm at uh the star works

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conference in

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um laughlin nevada

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uh i'm with my assistant desta barnaby

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we're about to head to tucson arizona

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which is a long drive we had to be there

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for um dinner

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uh it's 11 o'clock in the morning i'm

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just about ready to go and desta comes

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up she's all upset she said you had a

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meeting at 10 o'clock where were you i

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was trying to phone you and i said well

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i've been on the the main floor of the

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casino for that time and there's no

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there's no wi-fi so i didn't get

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anything she was giving me and she said

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james wants to talk to you it's really

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important and he wanted a meeting and i

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said well we gotta go we gotta we gotta

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be in tucson and so then we're getting

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ready to go and all of a sudden joe um

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our james rigney walks up and he says um

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i need to talk to you and i said well

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we're heading to tucson uh maybe we can

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do this another time

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and he said no i really need to talk to

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you it's important i said well

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we're we're heading out the door i mean

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whatever you got mail me because he's

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talking to me at this document he said

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give me 10 minutes let's say he said to

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me give me 10 minutes

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said okay i'll give you 10 minutes so i

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sat down he pulled out this ipad

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and his wife had he that he phoned his

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wife or contact his wife

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and she had um put

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the wilson leak document

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the pages she had fac

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you know

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faxed the the document to him and he

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gave me the ipad and then he went

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wandering off and i took a look at the

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first page of the document and as i've

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always pointed out i've never really

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read the document but i did read the

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first page so i got the first page and i

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looked and i saw oak shannon's name on

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the the front page and i saw eric

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davis's name and i thought holy cow and

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i said to him i said where did you get

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this and i was just i was absolutely

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floored and then he he told me to come

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out of the the um edgar mitchell

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collection and he walked off and i was

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sitting there with his ipad looking at

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this document and i knew oak shannon

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because at the time when the wilson

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league document had been leaked 2002 or

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when it had been

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i was in contact with

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eric davis i had conversations with him

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uh personal conversations with him in

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las vegas and um

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famous john alexander meeting from 1985

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where all

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these special compartmentalized

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information people were there and they

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were trying to figure out ufos they're

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trying to get funding for a project well

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oak shannon was there and eric davis had

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given me about 27 pages of his notes

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from that meeting

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and he said when oak shannon dies you

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can you can drop these documents you can

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release these documents now okay is

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still alive so when i saw oak shannon's

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name and eric davis's name on there i

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knew this was for real because i knew

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oak shannon was and that's when i

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thought to myself well can i photograph

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this ipad

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is james going to come back while i'm

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photographing it and i was just

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desperate to get this document and then

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when he gave me the document that was

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three or four weeks later he gave me the

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document that's when i learned it was 15

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pages i thought it was only like two

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pages and i promised him i would put it

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in the book because he wanted it out and

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i was going to put it in managing magic

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2 which we never did publish we had it

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almost done and we lost the footnotes in

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an edit and we were going to put it i

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told him i put it in the the um the book

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so we're trying to recover these

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footnotes and that is when

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uh i was contacted by um

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chase and i didn't know what to do with

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the document i couldn't put them in the

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book and i was very very afraid to put

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them on on the internet because i was

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good friends with almost everybody that

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was in the document i knew all these

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people and it was sort of like you know

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stinking your own

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your own ship or going after your own

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teammates and stuff like that and i just

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didn't know what to do with the document

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and that's when chase came up and and

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and yeah and i heard her you know i

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forgot about the story

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um i did and i'm fast forwarding a

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little bit i did visit with will miller

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in 2007 whose letter is in the wilson

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and i went to his house unfortunately i

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had a good friend with me who had no

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interest in ufos at the time i so wanted

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to ask him specifically about that

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that briefing that greer claimed he had

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but i didn't i didn't ask him um i was

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waiting for something negative from will

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about greer that never came so in the

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back of my mind i'm like okay the story

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is still alive

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julianna morenkovic who has done amazing

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work on this he goes hey he goes check

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this out and i and i look at it he he

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gives us the link to reddit

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not injure but to reddit where somebody

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had put it on reddit after you know

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linking to integer

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and i'm looking at it and i'm like i

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i know what this is yeah i do know what

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this is and

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when i heard that you had them you had

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something you wanted to get out i didn't

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know what it was

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and then chase

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us what happened when uh grant contacted

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experience that led me to reach out to

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all of my my favorite

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ufologists in the in the in the field

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grant being numero uno still is

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um and i consider grant a good friend um

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but at that point we hadn't met

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um so i i think i messaged you grant

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a dozen or so times before

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um he responded and i think he was just

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busy and

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we we had a relationship for a while

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before the wilson documents were brought

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many maybe a few months or something but

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um grant asked me to leak those for him

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and he told me the situation that he

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just explained to the audience

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um and you know i i put him on imager

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straightforward i think

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i had decided at that point i couldn't i

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couldn't drop myself but i'm a i'm a i'm

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a disclosure guy so i really don't keep

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very much secret

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so i decided that uh because i'd gotten

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a phone call from

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james ian dawley i had talked to him he

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was following me i was talking about

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this document back in december the year

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before i was saying this thing is going

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to drop and when it drops the cover-up

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is over and i was you know hinting that

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i had this this document or whatever and

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i then i couldn't i couldn't leak it but

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then i decided well i'm disclosure guy

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so anybody who wants to see the document

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when james asked me he said he said i

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think the document is on the internet

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and i said how many pages is it he said

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15 and i said yeah that kind of sounds

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like it i didn't want to play that i had

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i had the document it was the same

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document and then he said can i get a

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copy of the document and i said no and

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then i thought after i got off that

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conversation i thought well that's

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pretty stupid i mean this is a

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disclosure thing i'm just going to give

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the document to anybody that wants it so

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when i mentioned to chase he said oh can

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i see it i said yeah sure i sent it to

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him and then i told him the story about

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i couldn't leak it i still remember

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chase saying dory i'll take care of it

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and then chase remember you phoned me

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from the elevator in chicago and you

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said i think those documents that you

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gave me i think are you on the internet

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and i went and then i got scared i went

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holy cow

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i didn't know what was gonna happen with

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her you know i was gonna you know i was

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i was that yeah in fact i actually went

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to um

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um um

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a lawyer

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um

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michael

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paul i went to him and i said well i got

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this guy i gave him the document and i

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gave him a bunch of documents so if i

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die there's a bunch of documents they're

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going to drop on the internet that was

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the thing he was going to he was going

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to provide these documents so i gave him

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the document and i was telling him i

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said yeah i'm pretty scared you know

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this thing's out you know could they sue

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me and he goes yeah they could probably

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see you know what i have to consume me

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like i was just freaking out man the

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whole time i had that document i

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couldn't sleep i didn't know what to do

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with the document and yet i hadn't

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really read it but i knew it was

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important that you know eric davis to me

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was one of the sharpest guys i've ever

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met he had this intelligence background

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he was talking to these very high level

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people and i in fact i talked at one

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time about who he's talking to he got

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really upset with me and basically after

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that really didn't talk to me too much

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talked about intelligence blowback that

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when documents like this drop then

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everybody heads for cover and they he

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called it intelligence blowback you got

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to see who's going to lose their job

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what's going to happen uh who's who's

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going to get investigated and stuff like

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that so i knew there would be these

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repercussions with this document and i

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really not sure what happened but uh i

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was pretty scared when i had that

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document

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yeah and in 2000 i think i met eric 2018

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on george knapp's facebook and we were

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arguing

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about the bob lazar upcoming documentary

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on you know that jeremy corbell was

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about to put out and

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eric is very negative on lazar and i

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said let's see what the documentary is

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he goes i don't need to see the

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documentary i'm like you kind of need to

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see the documentary before you can

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comment on the documentary so we went

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back and forth and then we communicated

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privately and i became friends with them

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so when juliano put these notes you know

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he showed us they were on reddit you

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know it was danny danny silva giuliano

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and and chris wolford and we were like

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we know we you know i know eric really

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well at this point i'm becoming friends

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with them they know people it's the same

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thing i don't want to hurt this guy i'm

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like is this going to hurt him at all i

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don't want to put it out i mean i know

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for disclosure yes but you know i asked

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eric i said do you know about this and

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he said no comment he never says no

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comment because he's so talkative um so

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yeah i was worried about that

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that was it because people were mad at

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us for not putting it out right away i'm

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like i'm sorry i mean

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i care more about the person than the

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story right now but eventually it will

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come out but then it was shown somebody

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i think it was theresa tyndale put it on

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twitter and that was it we all went at

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it um

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michael

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thoughts

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on anything and any questions you have

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i'm enjoying the ride um it's an

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interesting uh

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it's an interesting story for sure

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there is um

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i think we talked about it one or two

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shows in the past where

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anything that happens uh for

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for cleared employees

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to uh

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to get involved in a in a story that's

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that's out there in the wild um that is

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really a no-no uh one that's

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known inside to be you know a

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so i can i can imagine

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the sensitivities around

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eric davis the whole the whole crew if

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you will

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uh you know there's all this speculation

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over the years over the more recent

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time here where

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who's who if anyone is authorized

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green lighted

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i i find it

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very surprising that eric davis

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has said and feels he can say the things

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there are

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classified facts

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uh that he alludes to

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that he

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apparently has briefed

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elected officials

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and there's a limit to where you can go

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with that in open public statements

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and uh i'm not being accusatory at all

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of him i'm just saying i find it

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really interesting

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that

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the things eric davis says you know it's

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tying two and two together to come up

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with four really

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uh the things that how they helped put

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off stats

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and others

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is writing on the wall

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right uh it's on the one hand and then

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when you throw in the wilson davis notes

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i i have a um

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i guess i'm gonna go there a little bit

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i i have a close friend

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uh a navy retired

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navy friend

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who worked

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who was basically tom wilson's executive

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officer at one point in their career

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at us at an overseas site that i won't

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name

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but

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he's

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you know waiting

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for the annual sojourn of wilson and his

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wife

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to stop by somewhere on the eastern

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seaboard just to see this friend of mine

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and he's just gonna outright ask him

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they were they were very close

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uh and still are

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and he finds it fascinating this friend

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of mine

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uh he's not yet had that conversation

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with with wilson or he would have told

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me

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so i'm waiting for the shoe to drop is

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the shoe going to be on the hill or is

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the shoe going to be in the garage slash

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man cave hangout of my friend over in

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virginia

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so we'll see

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you can i tell another important story

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that links into this yeah that i've told

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before that

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i had the document back in december of

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whatever was 2018

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and um i was telling uh james that i was

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having a hard time sleeping and i didn't

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know what to do with the document stuff

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like that

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and then he phones me up and he said

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did you give the dolan to document did

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you give dolan the document and i said

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no he said you must take it to him

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he's got the document i said no he's not

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and i i didn't give it to him and and

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then he said he's on jimmy church

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talking about it so this is december of

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2018 i think it's february then

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december the 19th or 18th or something

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he's doing a show and he's talking about

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the document he's talking about this

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document that he was shown two pages of

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this document and now i'm thinking he's

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talking the same document i said he's

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got

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how do you get the document so i know

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it's real because i talked to uh and and

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i i think silva has talked about this

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but um when he got the document

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of course the first thing he did is

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phone the guy

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who showed him two pages of the document

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and said hey

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i got this document and basically

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got a confirmation so i knew right from

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day one this was for real because you go

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back to this interview and it's way

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before it went public it was six months

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per republic you can hear uh dolan and

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you get quite clear he's talking about

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the wilson league document that he was

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shown two pages of this document a

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couple of years before

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yeah and it's like

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i know you know who that person is i

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know who that person is chase i think

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you know who that person is chase do you

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have any

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i know you have an opinion what's your

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opinion on wilson davis as far as the

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meeting taking place between davis and

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wilson

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yeah i mean uh you know i'm i'm no um

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uh i'm not a human lie detector but um

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um i think you know each of us have um a

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pretty decent uh ability to to determine

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if if

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things are falsified or

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fictionalized i don't see anything with

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these documents that

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um

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make me think that that they're fiction

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or that they've been embellished in any

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way they seem legitimate

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there aren't any real

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miraculous or outstanding claims in the

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documents i mean it's if everything went

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down the way that it's detailed in the

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documents that eric supposedly took

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um

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they basically say that it's an anger

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and

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they haven't made any any real uh

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any real progress

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uh on on on working through and reverse

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engineering the technology which which

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isn't really a surprise to me uh you

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know i i mentioned to joe grant uh and

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michael you probably haven't heard this

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story but you know when i was 15 i had

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an experience with a triangle that was

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flying inverted to grade per dick

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perpendicular to grade about 100 feet

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off the ground i was moving about a mile

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a minute it was about 150 feet away from

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me and it was about the size of two

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football fields and i know that sounds

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cliche

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um but

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um

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you know i have electrical engineering

532
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mechanical engineering background ai ml

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search from mit and i work in

534
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cutting edge technology and i've i've

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worked with some dod projects and i i

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couldn't possibly explain how this

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thing

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operated um and i've sat down with the

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three star that we're all familiar with

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he explained to me how this triangular

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craft functioned

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and

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people out there that can lie really

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well

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and there are people out there that that

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do that but

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i haven't i haven't picked up on any of

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that uh with respect to the document or

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with respect to the conversations that

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i've had in our community

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and i have my own personal experiences

552
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aside from the triangle that lead me to

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believe that

554
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all of this is is very very real

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a lot of it is not terrestrial based or

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if it is terrestrial based it's

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something that we don't completely

558
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,000
understand

559
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,080
and i think those answers are things

560
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,159
that we've all said with respect to

561
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,919
these experiences

562
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,880
they're all things that have been

563
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:16,559
alluded to by

564
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:19,360
that individual that i i mentioned and

565
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,559
others in the community as well so

566
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,640
short the short of that is you know to

567
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:26,320
answer your question joe no i don't

568
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,440
think these are falsified i think

569
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:29,440
they're legitimate documents i think

570
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,720
that

571
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:32,880
it makes perfect sense if

572
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,360
things are interacting with us that we

573
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:37,520
would at some point gain

574
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:41,039
access to that material or we would have

575
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,720
uh means to gain access to that material

576
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:45,760
i always

577
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:48,720
when this i have other friends in in dod

578
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:49,600
um

579
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,480
that i

580
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,480
frequently have conversations with good

581
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:55,039
friends of mine lifelong friends and

582
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:55,919
um

583
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,480
one of the conversations always revolves

584
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,320
around

585
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,080
the idea that these things are buzzing

586
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,000
past nuclear facilities on a monthly

587
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:06,559
basis and they have been for decades

588
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,159
and i can't possibly explain

589
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:12,240
i couldn't i couldn't possibly

590
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,679
understand how

591
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,080
someone could be responsible for a

592
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,720
multi-billion dollar facility

593
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:20,960
facilities

594
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,520
and have that occur and then just say

595
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,360
don't worry about it we don't understand

596
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:26,880
it don't don't know what it is we're not

597
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:28,880
going to do anything about it that's not

598
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,360
the case that won't ever be the case

599
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,919
um so you know i mean i would i would

600
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,240
bet my life that if these things are

601
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,559
occurring that there are individuals

602
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,720
that are very well organized very well

603
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:43,760
funded very well capable of

604
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,720
trying to figure out what is uh messing

605
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,440
with their stuff right i don't we're not

606
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,280
going to put a

607
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,720
50 caliber

608
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,480
machine gun in our driveway and if

609
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,320
somebody walks by the machine gun and

610
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,559
messes with our our gun we're not just

611
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,919
going to say oh well we're going to put

612
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:01,200
up a fence we're going to put up gates

613
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,480
we're going to put up cameras we're not

614
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,840
going to let that happen again or we're

615
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,000
going to do our damn best not to let it

616
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,880
happen again so um yeah i know i think i

617
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,559
think they're legitimate pretty long

618
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,320
winded there sorry about that no it's

619
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:14,320
fine we have no limit on time um

620
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,760
whenever you guys have to go just let me

621
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,280
know michael says the same thing to me

622
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,880
all the time he goes you know darn well

623
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,919
they're studying this they've been

624
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,200
studying it for a long time no matter

625
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,039
what they say just real fast for people

626
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:25,360
who don't know wilson davis

627
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,400
so in 1997 greer edgar mitchell

628
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,640
will miller sharia damiak who was

629
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,480
grier's assistant and then stephen

630
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,720
lufkin who was an alleged roswell era

631
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,600
witness

632
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,600
they go into the pentagon they brief the

633
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,039
joint chiefs of staff head of

634
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:42,799
intelligence or joint i think he's the

635
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,520
deputy head of intelligence thomas

636
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,280
admiral thomas wilson who later became

637
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,200
the head of the dia

638
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,240
allegedly he goes searching

639
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:54,400
finds this crash retrieval program

640
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,280
and then that's 97 and then 2002 eric

641
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,679
davis who had been laid off from nids

642
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,600
earlier in the year goes and interviews

643
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,760
wilson in las vegas in the parking lot

644
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,480
of the eg and g building

645
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,400
oak shannon was a big person who set up

646
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,000
the meeting because he knew davis he

647
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,600
vouched for davis

648
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,440
to wilson wilson apparently wanted to

649
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:15,280
get it off his chest help needed help

650
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,640
trying to you know find out where this

651
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,880
program was not where it was but you

652
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,320
know trying to get the program out and

653
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:22,960
he let in he let davis interview him in

654
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:25,919
october october 16 2002 and then those

655
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:28,559
documents went to edgar mitchell

656
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,760
i believe hal put off and some other

657
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,200
folks i don't think it was just knits

658
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,280
folks i just think eric was close with

659
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,159
hal and then and this is me

660
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,400
speculating but and also edward mitchell

661
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:43,039
was part of the original 97 briefing

662
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,320
so

663
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,840
and if it wasn't for edgar mitchell

664
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:47,360
passing away we wouldn't have had these

665
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,320
documents he passed away in 2016 i think

666
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,000
grant is that true is that right i'm not

667
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,159
sure yeah you could be about that yeah

668
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,080
um so

669
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,880
so that was that and there's a lot of

670
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,960
information there's no proof that the

671
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,799
meeting happened but if you look on my

672
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,559
blog you look at grant's work you look

673
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,960
at richard dolan's work james ian

674
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,120
doley's work

675
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,880
project unity's work it's pretty clear

676
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,720
to all of us that the meeting took place

677
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,400
but there are still some people who are

678
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,960
totally in doubt about it and which i

679
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,559
don't understand but i think that

680
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:21,039
hopefully within the year or or two next

681
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,240
year

682
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,240
we find out for sure so people can just

683
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,840
we can get on with

684
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,440
where is the crash retrieval program my

685
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,120
information is they have located the

686
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,559
crash retrieval program now whether or

687
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,799
not they have access to it i don't know

688
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,760
i don't know um and one thing i

689
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,120
i did get

690
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,440
chase's name from nicole sakic last year

691
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,679
so thanks to nicole for that because i i

692
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,960
didn't know who i didn't know chase was

693
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,320
nobody really know i know grant you're

694
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:46,080
like people know him but people don't

695
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,360
know who chase is they didn't know who

696
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,760
leaked it so yeah i appreciate that um

697
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,200
well chase had his own pod you still

698
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,360
have the podcast chase

699
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,200
no you know jeff is still running uh

700
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,320
strange recon um but i'm still available

701
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,000
to talk to whoever you know that was

702
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,960
never my endeavor that was jeff's um

703
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,159
and um

704
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,600
but i you know i thoroughly enjoy

705
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,279
participating in the community i i

706
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,679
obviously enjoy connecting with others

707
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,039
that

708
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,799
think about the same kind of thing so

709
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:14,240
yes because we did a lot of interviews

710
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,600
together that was why i said everybody

711
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:17,200
knows chase because if you know we i

712
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,559
don't know many hearings we did about

713
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,320
six interviews or whatever

714
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,400
your channel and my channel and we're

715
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,080
going back and forth and and some of

716
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:25,360
them were like four and a half hours

717
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,559
long we were

718
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:28,880
gathering away about stuff yeah that's

719
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,000
most mostly that's you grant

720
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,000
yeah let me let me uh add another thing

721
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,240
that that um the two things i want to

722
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,400
talk about one was the the controversial

723
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,600
part at the end of the document but

724
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,559
first

725
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,679
the other thing that people don't really

726
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,320
don't know is that uh chase i also gave

727
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,240
him the alien autopsy document which

728
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,600
interested me more than the wilson

729
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,679
document and you put that one up as well

730
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:51,440
but that thing didn't go anywhere i mean

731
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,640
everybody sort of talked about it for a

732
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,279
little while and uh

733
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,159
green uh um kid green confirmed it was

734
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,400
real and then it sort of died and i

735
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,679
thought that was the really interesting

736
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,200
document that they actually may have had

737
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,039
a body and that because i always heard

738
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,120
the story i think it was from eric that

739
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,120
kid green was was briefed on a lot of

740
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:10,960
stuff but he could never get briefed

741
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,080
into the uh alien autopsy part of the of

742
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,919
the program and he was desperate to try

743
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,440
to get into that part of the program and

744
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:19,120
he wasn't able to get briefed i'm pretty

745
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,799
sure it was eric told me that story back

746
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,799
around that time so when i saw this

747
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,799
whole thing with the alien autopsy and

748
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,200
that that kid green was involved and

749
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:28,799
that he had written a memo so that's

750
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,360
what i i know from my experience because

751
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:33,120
i as i said i was

752
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,640
talking to eric davis when he got laid

753
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,799
off from from nids i had a personal

754
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,640
conversation with them in las vegas and

755
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,400
they were looking for documents they

756
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,760
were looking for

757
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,120
all sorts of stuff you know they did the

758
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,880
black triangles they did the cattle

759
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,720
mutilations and they were talking to me

760
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,840
about the um the holloman air force base

761
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,159
film and that the whole robert emeneger

762
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,799
and the the the the videos and the

763
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,720
documentaries that emeneger had done for

764
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,240
the government they were very interested

765
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,919
in that whole thing and i had been

766
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,760
involved with robert emeneger in that

767
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:04,000
story so the knits people were talking

768
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,919
to me and they were going after a lot of

769
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,840
stuff so when you see the alien autopsy

770
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,000
it's almost like they're they say let's

771
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,679
look at the alien autopsy is this real

772
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,760
or not and they send out about this to

773
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,919
start this program and eric is writing

774
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,080
back to bigelow making a report and

775
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,480
that's what me these documents were were

776
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,880
reports going back to nids about these

777
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,799
very many many programs that i knew that

778
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,399
they were running because they basically

779
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,320
had four meetings a year where they

780
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,840
would bring these people in like kid

781
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,600
green and help put off and stuff the

782
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,679
best minds that they could find and they

783
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,000
would go after these various projects

784
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,399
and uh eric they let they limited it

785
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,880
down to three a a year then two meetings

786
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:42,880
a year then eric got laid off and they

787
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,080
eventually uh folded nids but

788
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,520
they would he would tell me about these

789
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,279
meetings and that's where his was he

790
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,120
wasn't really a member of nids he was

791
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,520
the chief physicist but he got to meet

792
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,200
all these guys he got to you know rub

793
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:57,840
shoulders with eric davis or um you know

794
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,399
kit green and jack valet and all these

795
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,240
things and that's where eric got all

796
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,240
this all this information because

797
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,840
bigelow was bringing in the best minds

798
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,520
of the country and paying them huge

799
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,279
money to come in for weekends where they

800
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,279
would do these like uh almost like a

801
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:13,039
think tank type thing

802
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,760
and

803
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,200
the other thing i want to mention is at

804
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,360
the end of the document that i was very

805
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,880
interested in this very controversial

806
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,279
part one was the idea where it says no

807
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,039
abductions i remember everybody said oh

808
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,559
that's counterintelligence they're

809
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,240
telling them the wrong thing or whatever

810
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,120
and and so i went and looked and i found

811
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,960
uh actually it was um

812
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,360
giuliano who found the the reference

813
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,360
that edgar mitchell said the same thing

814
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:37,440
then i found juliano help me find the

815
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,799
reference on uh a website where kate

816
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,640
green says the same thing no abductions

817
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,480
ever so it was the same thing it was

818
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:47,120
this idea that abductions are

819
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,559
probably going to be much more complex

820
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,559
than we think it's going to be involved

821
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,279
some sort of mental thing where it looks

822
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,200
real like the world's flat the sun's

823
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,640
going around the earth but it's not it's

824
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,559
something it the event is happening but

825
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,240
it's not what we think is and the other

826
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,159
was when they said in the in the

827
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:03,840
document we have a craft we think it

828
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,559
will fly as soon as i said that i said

829
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,039
oh they got they've got the entire craft

830
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,039
and they can't turn it on because it has

831
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,200
a consciousness interface you need

832
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,960
consciousness to turn the craft on

833
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,159
because i'm coming up with a book i'm

834
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:17,919
just coming out with a book called the

835
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,799
alien ufo sky palettes where i look at

836
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,360
36 people who have claimed to have flown

837
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,799
the craft and they all tell them

838
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,559
basically the same story the craft is

839
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,399
alive you put your hand on a panel and

840
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,080
you put your hand on a ball

841
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,480
uh did different things you you become

842
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:34,159
one with the craft the craft is alive

843
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,520
whatever you think is what the craft

844
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,679
does and the craft will go anywhere and

845
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,120
the other thing that even hal put off

846
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,120
talked about was this idea that when you

847
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:43,120
go to the craft it's like 30 feet across

848
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,799
and you go inside it's the size of a

849
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,399
football stadium and you go back out and

850
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,559
you look it's 30 feet across people

851
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,240
report this kind of stuff as well this

852
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,960
idea that they can make the inside as

853
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,120
big as they want and this kind of

854
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,720
technology that's way ahead of what

855
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,039
we've got even what eric davis said when

856
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,120
when he was talking about the um

857
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,360
the um lazar thing at one time he said

858
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,279
the guy's totally full of that and this

859
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,440
stuff is not even at area 51. i think he

860
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,360
was on george knapp's show and he said

861
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,039
that and the stuff is not even at area

862
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,760
51 and then i think george knapp said oh

863
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,200
i think we know what the headline is for

864
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,840
tomorrow so eric knew a lot of stuff and

865
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,760
he's the one that put up this this deal

866
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,520
that other people have talked about that

867
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,240
the the material is is sort of shelved

868
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,080
they can't really get anywhere with it

869
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,600
and they put it on the shelf for six or

870
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,960
seven years then you look at it again

871
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,720
take it off the shelf put it back on the

872
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,399
shelf and he's mentioned that and other

873
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,080
people have mentioned that as well the

874
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,080
idea of the core story that we've got

875
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,399
material something is happening but

876
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,919
we're not very doing very well with the

877
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,279
back engineering and when you see this

878
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:43,760
kind of stuff where we've got reports of

879
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,880
of guys saying they go in one second

880
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:49,440
from here to like 50 000 light years

881
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,480
outside the the milky way in one second

882
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,919
i mean they've got some technology that

883
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,000
we we haven't got anything close to what

884
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,000
they've got and it's it's this

885
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,919
consciousness interface when i saw that

886
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,600
thing that they had a craft that they

887
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:04,000
think would fly i immediately knew that

888
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,519
they they couldn't they couldn't start

889
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,360
it couldn't get going even though they

890
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,360
have an intact craft

891
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:10,640
and what's interesting is in the

892
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:13,679
documents there's the will miller letter

893
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,480
to eric davis it was just earlier that

894
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,480
year in 2002 and

895
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,320
he tries to put davis in contact with

896
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,480
people who deal with alien reproduction

897
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:24,080
vehicles and then

898
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,360
i did

899
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,519
become friends with will in 2000 and we

900
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,200
stayed in contact and then a couple

901
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,960
years ago when the documents came online

902
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,440
i contacted him i'm like will can i

903
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,679
interview you he's like yeah yeah of

904
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:38,159
course he goes what about i go uh wilson

905
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,640
davis he's like

906
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:41,919
[Laughter]

907
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,559
yeah it's like um so he goes email me a

908
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,080
couple of questions i'm like oh man i'm

909
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,840
like what couple of questions can i come

910
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,600
up with just two questions

911
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,679
he's like no just emailing you it

912
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,440
doesn't have to be two emailing me your

913
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,640
question so i just went through

914
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,720
everything and he answered almost

915
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,640
everything um

916
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,399
he believes we have a craft that can go

917
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,080
anywhere in the universe

918
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,320
any time so traveling time so that's the

919
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,240
opposite of what eric davis would say

920
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,480
but that doesn't mean

921
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,320
doesn't mean we've cracked the intact

922
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,240
craft it could be total that craft could

923
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,159
be totally related to consciousness they

924
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,559
may have something else they figured out

925
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,120
i don't know i mean it when i mentioned

926
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,720
that we may have cracked gravity i mean

927
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,039
nick cook even says he thinks we may

928
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,720
have just on a hunch the guy who worked

929
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,880
for jane's defense um

930
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,480
it's a battle and people get upset

931
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,159
michael had a signing in 92 which you

932
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,799
can go over briefly which he thinks was

933
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:35,279
our tech

934
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,399
michael

935
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,840
well i

936
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,000
based on the circumstances i didn't i

937
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:42,960
didn't it wasn't from me from the

938
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:46,240
physical observation of this of this air

939
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,120
vehicle

940
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,080
that i said oh that looks like

941
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,480
u.s manufactured technology it was based

942
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,720
on the setting

943
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,640
this thing flew

944
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,840
in case

945
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:59,440
folks haven't heard i'll just quickly

946
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,720
recap

947
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,919
it was a

948
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,200
midday

949
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,600
in the in the persian gulf i was on

950
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,440
board an aegis cruiser that was about

951
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,440
150 feet

952
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,440
and connected with lines cables and

953
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,720
hoses to

954
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,640
the aircraft carrier next to us on the

955
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,880
port side on the left side

956
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,640
and we were

957
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,720
exchanging fuel i don't know who was

958
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,279
giving what to whom

959
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,039
but typically would be the carrier

960
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,440
topping up maybe the the cruiser but

961
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,559
either way

962
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,480
this activity was going on there were

963
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,799
loads of people on deck supporting it

964
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:33,760
and

965
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,880
this

966
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:36,000
perfectly

967
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,240
triangular craft flew exactly as if it

968
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:43,440
had spotted us from above on the surface

969
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,240
of

970
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,279
the ocean and followed the wake

971
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,880
right up to the point that it came

972
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,600
directly from behind directly overhead

973
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,120
overtook us and passed out of view

974
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,039
within about 10 seconds

975
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,200
about couldn't have been more than 10

976
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,039
000 feet altitude

977
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:01,600
is really hazy in that in that region

978
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,120
uh super humid but these

979
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:08,320
in each corner these exceedingly bright

980
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,520
dots

981
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,399
pierced this haze

982
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,639
unlike anything i mean i'd watched

983
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,040
target practice

984
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:20,000
helicopters aircraft flying around in

985
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,359
that region

986
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,359
uh and

987
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,040
except for like a landing light of an

988
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,839
aircraft turning on final

989
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,000
to land on the carrier i mean that it

990
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,480
will pierce as it's supposed to do to

991
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,119
some extent it'll pierce that haze these

992
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,800
three bright dots were piercing that

993
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,000
haze

994
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,679
um

995
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,399
almost like they were welder's arc

996
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:43,599
intensity

997
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,320
uh

998
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:46,720
but the the astonishing thing was with

999
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:48,119
all the capability and the

1000
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,320
responsibility of that

1001
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:52,560
battle group and that ship i was on for

1002
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,599
the air defense of that aircraft carrier

1003
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,760
i i'd refer to it as nobody even

1004
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,040
twitched

1005
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,280
this thing passed directly overhead

1006
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,960
there were no flight ups going on you

1007
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,320
don't do flat ups when you're doing an

1008
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,160
underweight replenishment like that when

1009
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,109
and then just minutes later i was back

1010
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,280
down below deck in my work center

1011
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,599
which is a an actual skiff

1012
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,839
and it has a radar what we call a radar

1013
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,920
table it's a representation it's a data

1014
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,560
feed off of the combat center radar on

1015
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,000
the aegis

1016
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,680
and i looked for this

1017
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,040
uh

1018
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,960
on the radar and it had just been a

1019
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,640
couple of minutes and it

1020
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,119
and it wasn't going in my estimation it

1021
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,920
wasn't going any more than maybe 350 400

1022
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,040
knots

1023
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,880
maybe 500 i don't know but i mean it

1024
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,640
should have still been

1025
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,880
well within the

1026
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,480
the envelope if you will

1027
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,280
uh viewability on this radar everything

1028
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,680
else was still visible on the radar and

1029
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:51,200
i don't know i'd have to speak to

1030
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,320
someone

1031
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:55,200
uh that's uh an aegis radar

1032
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,880
expert about

1033
00:36:03,190 --> 00:35:59,200
if you have a known track that you want

1034
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,200
to obfuscate or null the null the track

1035
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,040
delete the track

1036
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,720
i don't know how you do that i would

1037
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:08,160
think that would get

1038
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,760
if you're that would get a little screwy

1039
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,880
uh

1040
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,160
you know

1041
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,240
add a lot of risk to any scenario if

1042
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,599
you're you've got the capability of

1043
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,839
people to nullify tracks that you really

1044
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,839
need to have a sort of an all-seeing eye

1045
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,119
when you're out in that one of the most

1046
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,200
contested regions of the world

1047
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:27,680
so anyway this thing wasn't on radar it

1048
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,109
and um and no there was no reaction

1049
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,720
whatsoever so

1050
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:38,480
having observed flight operations that

1051
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,160
in that area for for uh quite some time

1052
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:44,160
and being responsible

1053
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,160
in in the job that i had um

1054
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,640
for knowing what was in the air and

1055
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,160
knowing uh

1056
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,800
being able to characterize it in case

1057
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,200
someone in combat

1058
00:37:03,829 --> 00:36:59,599
misconstrued what was going on

1059
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,839
in other words a civilian airliner or

1060
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,599
a an allied

1061
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,040
aircraft

1062
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:10,079
that was mortaring in the area

1063
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,680
i might have to help deconflict

1064
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,320
and possibly uh avert some sort of

1065
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,480
catastrophe

1066
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,880
from an air defense standpoint

1067
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:22,640
and

1068
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,040
i've been out on deck so much

1069
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,119
and seen i've seen so many aircraft

1070
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,160
operating in the area of all types ours

1071
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,160
other nations civilian

1072
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,760
and you learn

1073
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,160
where you are in the region persian gulf

1074
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:38,079
you can practically skip a stone across

1075
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,520
it

1076
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,599
you know you've got nations all around

1077
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,440
you've got airports commercial airports

1078
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,000
military runways all over the place

1079
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,240
and you you you get a sense when you

1080
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:49,760
when you visually spot an aircraft

1081
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,800
whether it's

1082
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,599
descending on a flight profile into abu

1083
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:55,839
dhabi dubai bahrain

1084
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,880
uh dalaran or wherever or whether it's

1085
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,400
climbing out

1086
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,280
after uh takeoff and this

1087
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,280
this air vehicle i call it because it

1088
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,359
was not an airplane

1089
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,470
my sense was that it was climbing

1090
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:14,240
in a shallow climb

1091
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,520
but

1092
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,440
that's just pure speculation i can't

1093
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,680
know that

1094
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,880
and the fact that it passed right

1095
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,079
overhead

1096
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,000
nobody twitched tells me

1097
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,880
that it was a known target it was a

1098
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,560
known

1099
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,400
it may not have been in the air tasking

1100
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:33,359
order for the day the ato they call it

1101
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,800
but it someone was aware of it

1102
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,200
because uh

1103
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,520
i mean you know if you and i shared a

1104
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,800
link with joe

1105
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,200
from fightersweep.com

1106
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,800
and it's a pilot recounting his

1107
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:48,079
experience

1108
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:51,520
on an aircraft carrier in that same area

1109
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,040
and he's sitting inside the alert f-18

1110
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:58,079
ready uh to be in just a couple of

1111
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,920
minutes to be launched off that deck to

1112
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,160
scramble and go up and

1113
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,400
uh check out

1114
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,960
uh an encroaching you know potentially

1115
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:08,720
hostile target but anything that's

1116
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,520
that's located on spotted on radar this

1117
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,440
guy is already ready in there to hit the

1118
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:16,320
button fire up the engines taxi forward

1119
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,040
get into launch configuration and be

1120
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,920
fired off the deck and he he says here

1121
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,400
comes two iranian aircraft they took off

1122
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,400
from an island not too far away it was a

1123
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,359
surprise to them

1124
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,359
they don't normally deploy attack

1125
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,599
aircraft to that island and those two

1126
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,320
jets were on that carrier

1127
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,880
uh as a potential imminent threat in

1128
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,720
just a matter of a couple of minutes and

1129
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,480
by the time the crew everybody on the

1130
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,560
deck watched this happen as he describes

1131
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:46,000
he took off

1132
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,839
literally got the wheels up in the well

1133
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,680
and then had to haul back on the stick

1134
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:51,280
and turn around and get behind these two

1135
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,160
jets

1136
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,839
that's how that's how far they had

1137
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,040
encroached

1138
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,800
so if they had hostile intent it was

1139
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,119
pretty much too late

1140
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,480
he could have shot them down but they

1141
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:01,680
could have launched and he readily

1142
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,640
admits that but that's an example of the

1143
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,480
of the tenseness of the environment in

1144
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,400
that area

1145
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,160
of the attention that's paid to the

1146
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,359
safety and security to safeguarding

1147
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,359
uh a national treasure which is an

1148
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,040
aircraft carrier particularly a nuclear

1149
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:20,880
aircraft carrier um they they take

1150
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:22,839
no risk with that right

1151
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,280
so i just said this thing flew over us

1152
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,599
i don't think it was an unknown but i i

1153
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,200
can't say that for sure because i don't

1154
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,960
think people are like oh michael vice

1155
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,280
saying everything in our inv you know no

1156
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,839
there's no such thing as anomalous craft

1157
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,160
he thinks it's all all of our technology

1158
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,920
which i know from our conversations you

1159
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,079
did not believe that just so people

1160
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,839
realize that um

1161
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,079
let me say one thing let me just

1162
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:50,480
go to one thing that happened this year

1163
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,760
related to wilson davis so at the s seu

1164
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,440
conference the

1165
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,839
what the hell what is su scientific

1166
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,000
what is sdu again i i i'm drawing a

1167
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:02,160
coalition for uthology yeah so they have

1168
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,440
their conference i think it's the second

1169
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,599
annual conference and john alexander

1170
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,599
who's been in the intel world over the

1171
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,200
years worked on

1172
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,599
mostly known for his non-lethal weapon

1173
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,720
uh work

1174
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,560
he was lecturing eric davis was in the

1175
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,040
audience and john alexander said you

1176
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:19,040
know

1177
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,720
john davies from the uk said uh

1178
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,200
when did you get your copy of wilson

1179
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,069
i forget if he asked what else he asked

1180
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,599
him but anyway

1181
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,000
alexander points to eric and says he

1182
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,040
goes ask him he wrote it kind of with

1183
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,720
the smile there so you gave me a little

1184
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,200
sarcasm there um

1185
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,640
and folks who were there were like eric

1186
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:44,319
davis looked really uncomfortable and

1187
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:48,160
then afterwards the davis nolan tim

1188
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,440
taylor and

1189
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,680
um alexander were in a group and they

1190
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,839
were talking and davis was very upset

1191
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,520
and people like he was upset that

1192
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,359
alexander had outed him and put him on

1193
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,280
the spot and alexander denied crash

1194
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,680
retrievals and i'm like

1195
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,079
without saying what was spoken i do know

1196
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,920
that that's not what eric was mad about

1197
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,000
eric knows alexander has spoken out

1198
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,240
publicly against crash retrievals

1199
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,520
repeatedly

1200
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,720
um

1201
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,319
and if and if they were talking there's

1202
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,560
no way eric would talk about well with

1203
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,000
people around he's not going to talk

1204
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,400
about wilson davis he's not he's just

1205
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,839
not so

1206
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,680
your takes all of your takes why and

1207
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,440
this is really something i can't i'm

1208
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,280
guessing maybe it's his patriotic duty

1209
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,440
why would john alexander i know

1210
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,599
alexander must know

1211
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,040
he must know that there's some sort of

1212
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,920
pressure people program why would he be

1213
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,760
so negative publicly you think he's just

1214
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:39,920
doing the patriotic thing not trying to

1215
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,839
give our adversaries information

1216
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:45,040
speculation grant

1217
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,000
chase

1218
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,560
grant first uh i would just be guessing

1219
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,680
i mean he's not read in um

1220
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,160
um i heard the story that he had been

1221
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,079
briefed by semivan that this is all for

1222
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,480
real and he still didn't believe it and

1223
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,400
then he made he made the comment he said

1224
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,960
to jim semivan he said so who's running

1225
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,760
it

1226
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,359
like the whole idea about who's running

1227
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,760
the program and then semi-van looked at

1228
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,520
him and said they are

1229
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,280
so i always remember that story that

1230
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,359
even when he when when semivan gave him

1231
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,000
a briefing he basically denied it he

1232
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,079
just maybe is not read in and and

1233
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,240
because i i know the notes from and i've

1234
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:22,000
seen this lots of times like for example

1235
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,280
you even get

1236
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,400
um you know these these notes that i was

1237
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:29,119
got from from um

1238
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,400
oak shannon

1239
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,839
when you take a look they didn't have

1240
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,599
any clues going on in 85 everybody

1241
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,040
thinks you know they had all this inside

1242
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,040
stuff they had nothing they were they

1243
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,640
were talking just like you and i they

1244
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,240
had nothing more they were they were

1245
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:42,079
trying to put their heads together and

1246
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,280
they went through all the subjects so

1247
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,119
they one page was this subject title

1248
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,440
mutilations and all this kind of stuff

1249
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,839
and all they had for back engineering

1250
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,760
was one thing

1251
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,599
um what's his name the guy that

1252
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,839
everybody um admiral

1253
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:57,839
wilson no admiral

1254
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,440
what's the the guy that was at s-s-a-i-c

1255
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:03,119
he was uh

1256
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:04,160
and for people who don't know what

1257
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:05,440
you're talking about that was the john

1258
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,720
alexander

1259
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,640
working group the advanced theoretical

1260
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,560
physics what what year did that take

1261
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,800
place 85 the notes i have for were from

1262
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,560
85 but the thing went on longer than

1263
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,560
that and it was then i had and i have

1264
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,880
the front cover of the thing which is

1265
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,040
top secret restricted which means it's

1266
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,520
energy and that's this controversy that

1267
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,760
happened with trump with the documents i

1268
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,760
brought this up because trump said he

1269
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,520
declassified everything and there was

1270
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:30,880
these rumors that there was nuclear

1271
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,960
documents if there was nuclear documents

1272
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,040
there trump did not declassify them the

1273
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:37,200
president has no control over nuclear

1274
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,160
weapons stuff that's all atomic energy

1275
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,000
and the president cannot declassify that

1276
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:44,079
stuff alone so if that was in his

1277
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,599
possession i it wasn't declassified so

1278
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,079
it was bobby ray inman that's all they

1279
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,000
had under crash retrievals was bobby

1280
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,160
raymond and big letters across the the

1281
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:56,160
page they had nothing in that and that

1282
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,599
was all those guys had top secret ssci

1283
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,240
clearances and there was 20 guys on

1284
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,760
there and i remember when i first got

1285
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,560
the documents i i put the names out at a

1286
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,960
conference in eureka springs and i got a

1287
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,200
message from hal put off and he said oh

1288
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,720
i believe i understand you've got a

1289
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,079
document that

1290
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,760
has some names of a group that i'm

1291
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,280
supposed to be part of and i said yeah i

1292
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,760
do and then he said oh could you send

1293
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,119
that to me and i sent him all the names

1294
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,440
except for i took uh

1295
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,040
oak shannon's name off there and i sent

1296
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,880
him all all the names i never heard

1297
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,640
anything more because i from time to

1298
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,640
time i would get stuff and hal would

1299
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,280
contact me for example i had all the all

1300
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:34,800
sorts of letters i had a whole

1301
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,160
collection of letters to and from people

1302
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:41,520
from uh art lundal who i say is was the

1303
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,240
first director of the weird desk at cia

1304
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,560
he was the guy that was really into it

1305
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,160
he was the guy that channeled the alien

1306
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,960
in 1959 from the national photographic

1307
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,800
interpretation center which is what he

1308
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,960
ran he's the guy that briefed uh the

1309
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,720
president on the nuclear

1310
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,960
nuclear problem in cuba the cuban

1311
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,560
missile crisis he was showing him the

1312
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,240
launchers and stuff he was an expert on

1313
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,240
uh he had developed this system of

1314
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,000
taking images and then changing them

1315
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:07,920
digitally from satellites so you could

1316
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,599
get all this detail and um i i had all

1317
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,520
sorts of letters and health contacted me

1318
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,440
and wanted my collection of art london

1319
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,280
letters because he knew how important

1320
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,200
this guy was it was again a name that

1321
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:20,960
most people don't know but a major

1322
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,470
i wanna address this somebody said does

1323
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,319
anyone think the wilson davis documents

1324
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:29,839
are a transcript from a recording i

1325
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,319
think it's very likely

1326
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,599
um

1327
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,000
in my opinion i have reason to believe

1328
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,200
it may have been recorded um

1329
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,960
i don't know for sure though i'm not

1330
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,520
just guessing but it looks like it yeah

1331
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,040
yeah it does look like it's really

1332
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,800
really accurate then again eric davis

1333
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,680
has

1334
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,440
a memory like

1335
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,040
and i'm gonna let you guys talk a little

1336
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,359
bit so i can mute myself michael

1337
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,599
and chase tell me if you think this

1338
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,280
information will ever make it public i'm

1339
00:47:04,390 --> 00:46:59,520
gonna mute myself michael first

1340
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:08,069
yeah um joe just to clarify uh what what

1341
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,920
information specifically because the the

1342
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,160
wilson documents are obviously already

1343
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,920
public so what what are we referring to

1344
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:15,200
well is it going to get confirmed i

1345
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,640
think he wants to know when is this

1346
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,920
finally going to be

1347
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,359
oh when when

1348
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:21,520
when can we expect eric to come forward

1349
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,910
so just just just to speak to that and

1350
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,920
i'd like you know i certainly am

1351
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,520
interested to hear what michael has to

1352
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,720
say but

1353
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,309
with respect to eric confirming these

1354
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,040
notes i i can't say i have no no

1355
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,680
speculation no no guess whatsoever

1356
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,760
i think that um

1357
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,440
you know as as more and more people are

1358
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:49,359
interested in this and individuals such

1359
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,319
as us

1360
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,880
push and push and push a little more the

1361
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,720
truth will come out

1362
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:55,760
um

1363
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,960
i'm so adamant about my position because

1364
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,119
of my own personal experiences and i

1365
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,200
have to believe that those others in the

1366
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,440
field like grant michael forgive me i

1367
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,960
don't know that much about you aside

1368
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,720
from the triangle experience you know

1369
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,359
these experiences uh that we have as

1370
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,079
individuals are really i think what you

1371
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,720
know really motivates us to to kind of

1372
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,040
dig and push

1373
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,480
with respect to just governmental

1374
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,559
uh you know uh um

1375
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,640
uh government coming out officially and

1376
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,319
saying that this is legitimate we have a

1377
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,480
crash retrieval program we we've been

1378
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,559
studying this for x number of years i

1379
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,079
don't think it's ever going to happen i

1380
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,559
don't think it will ever happen not not

1381
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,640
in my lifetime not in my children's

1382
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,760
lifetimes

1383
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:41,040
and the reason

1384
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,400
uh i don't think it will happen is

1385
00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:44,000
because

1386
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:46,839
human beings as a collective as a group

1387
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,800
um are dangerous and they do

1388
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,280
dangerous things we've seen that with

1389
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,359
covid we've seen that with natural

1390
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,000
disasters we see that all the time all

1391
00:49:01,349 --> 00:49:00,000
over the world

1392
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,359
you know if a government of the of the

1393
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,880
world came out and said that this is

1394
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,400
legitimate we're interacting with them

1395
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,920
they're here they're under the oceans

1396
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,079
whatever the case might be they're ultra

1397
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,559
dimensional or whatever the case is uh i

1398
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,079
don't think people can handle it i think

1399
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:15,119
that individuals can handle it but

1400
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,559
i think would be a very dangerous

1401
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,720
situation for for this country and for

1402
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:19,520
other

1403
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,440
nations around around the world

1404
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,200
um and i think that's the reason why

1405
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,960
it's not

1406
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,319
publicly

1407
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,200
uh you know acknowledged um i could be

1408
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:33,520
wrong but that's my position with

1409
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:35,119
respect to

1410
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:36,079
uh

1411
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,359
you know

1412
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:38,960
grant earlier you were talking about

1413
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,680
alien abductions and and um

1414
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,359
joe you mentioned something about you

1415
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,119
know them having a vehicle that could

1416
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,920
traverse an infinite amount of uh

1417
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,640
you know distance instantaneously

1418
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,319
well supposedly will muller thinks that

1419
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,400
we have that technology

1420
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:55,520
we do

1421
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,319
it is uh and grant's familiar with what

1422
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,839
i'm referring to

1423
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,240
and there are other areas in science and

1424
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,160
and in uh

1425
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,079
you know fringe science if you want to

1426
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,079
call it that that uh support this and

1427
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,760
there's enough anecdotal evidence to

1428
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:14,079
support all of these claims that people

1429
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,880
make

1430
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,440
fun of um you know i've been on the side

1431
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,440
of the fence where like i said my

1432
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:21,280
background i have a bachelor's degree in

1433
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,640
electrical engineering i have a master's

1434
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,640
degree in mechanical engineering

1435
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,400
i work in technology

1436
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,240
i've worked in technology for

1437
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,319
over a decade um

1438
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,160
i'm not the smartest guy in the world

1439
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,839
but i'm not the dumbest guy either and

1440
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,119
i've had some really interesting

1441
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,040
experiences that i can't explain and i

1442
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,359
can't explain them with the physics uh

1443
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,240
that is accepted physics now i can't ex

1444
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,319
i can't explain them i have good friends

1445
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,880
that i can't talk to these things about

1446
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,960
because they are very rational and

1447
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,319
logical and they haven't had the same

1448
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,599
experiences

1449
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,040
um

1450
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,160
so there there are there are elements to

1451
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,920
this that um

1452
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,240
that we don't understand um and maybe

1453
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:02,880
that maybe some of these agencies do

1454
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,559
um i'm getting away from ufos and uaps

1455
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,880
uh a bit because i think that it's a

1456
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,720
mistake to talk about one and not talk

1457
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,800
about the other i think it's a mistake

1458
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,000
to

1459
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:15,599
not talk about the alien abduction

1460
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:19,040
phenomenon if you want to call it that

1461
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,640
and talk about uaps that we can explain

1462
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,760
we have

1463
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,160
video the you know video evidence of we

1464
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,400
have eyewitness accounts by trained

1465
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:30,319
observers such as michael and and you

1466
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,040
know

1467
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,520
uh his his brothers and sisters at arms

1468
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:35,200
uh you know in

1469
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,880
serving you know

1470
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,079
this country

1471
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,240
um

1472
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,839
we have these accounts but there are so

1473
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,960
many other

1474
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,119
strange things out there and all this is

1475
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,000
tied together and and part of this grant

1476
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,079
you were talking about walking into the

1477
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,400
into the ufo and you know it's it's the

1478
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,839
size of uh

1479
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,680
your backyard and then you get inside of

1480
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,839
it is the size of a football field um

1481
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,079
there are so many accounts like that but

1482
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,559
it's they're all subjective you know

1483
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,480
there there are

1484
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:06,319
characteristics that

1485
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,760
um are the same but the majority of of

1486
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,119
these

1487
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:14,160
accounts are are very specific to the

1488
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:16,839
individual and there's a reason for that

1489
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,839
um so i i'm you know if you guys pride

1490
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:21,599
me and poke me i'll go on but um that's

1491
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,400
kind of that's kind of where i am i've i

1492
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,160
you know when grant and i met i was

1493
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:29,520
adamant about pursuing

1494
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,480
um some kind of position in government

1495
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,319
or in the private sector in which i

1496
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,720
could work with the technology because i

1497
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,440
knew

1498
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,280
that obviously as all the four of us

1499
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,440
know and some of the audience will it

1500
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,839
probably is confident in knowing that

1501
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:45,760
there are individuals

1502
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,119
here on earth that work with this

1503
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,200
technology whether it has to do with the

1504
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,319
mind whether it has to do with physical

1505
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,319
extraterrestrial intelligence something

1506
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,599
that's terrestrial that we're not

1507
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,440
familiar with whatever whatever the case

1508
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:59,200
is there are individuals out there that

1509
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,079
do this for a living aside from

1510
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,839
grant's profession and that's reporting

1511
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:06,240
and investigating right

1512
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,079
so i was focused on that that's why i

1513
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:12,000
connected with that three star and

1514
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,599
that's why i had those conversations

1515
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,440
that's why i spent almost a hundred

1516
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:17,040
thousand dollars building an

1517
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,480
expeditionary vehicle and i was going to

1518
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,720
spend another 150 000 just on a camera

1519
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,119
to go on top of that

1520
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:24,960
but

1521
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:29,119
you get to a point at least i have

1522
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,960
gotten to a point in realizing that um

1523
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,880
a lot of this is subjective you can have

1524
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,800
experiences whenever you want you can

1525
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,880
speak to anything that you want

1526
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,480
um

1527
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,960
and uh and that's really difficult to

1528
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,559
talk about

1529
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,160
michael and then grant do you think

1530
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,480
michael in our lifetimes we will learn

1531
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,520
that there is allegedly if there is that

1532
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:53,920
we'll learn as a crash retrieval program

1533
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:57,040
crash retrieval program sorry well i if

1534
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,160
um

1535
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,079
i think i said last time it sort of i

1536
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,520
felt like sort of

1537
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,440
quoting keith jackson the late keith

1538
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:05,359
jackson the mustard swung off the hot

1539
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,160
dog

1540
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,160
the moment eric davis

1541
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:11,280
made that claim um

1542
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:12,240
and

1543
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:13,119
but i

1544
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,640
i look at it i don't i i find it

1545
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,720
highly unlikely

1546
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:21,359
that we will be given the details that

1547
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,480
we all

1548
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,599
are i'm

1549
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:26,079
fairly confident are

1550
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,680
are pretty

1551
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,680
uh

1552
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:31,200
pretty close to

1553
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,480
as far as

1554
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:35,599
nailing down

1555
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:39,280
the existence of some programs

1556
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:40,319
but

1557
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,359
i think

1558
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,359
coming at it from

1559
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,280
the inside

1560
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,119
the view is

1561
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:49,119
i think it boils down to purely risk

1562
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,240
management

1563
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,480
i agree with chase

1564
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,599
and uh

1565
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,280
people can say what they want when i say

1566
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:57,760
this but i think he's right

1567
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,040
people will say we can handle the truth

1568
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,440
some individuals can't handle the truth

1569
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,400
as far as

1570
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:08,000
i understand

1571
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,520
from what's been

1572
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:11,359
put together over the decades what's

1573
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:15,599
been surmised or inferred or flat out uh

1574
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,720
taken from

1575
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,040
the government's own mouth

1576
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:21,680
in some of the older documents that have

1577
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,960
been released through foia so the the

1578
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,280
preponderance of evidence shows that

1579
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:29,920
absolutely something is going on

1580
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:32,720
whether we're being visited or they're

1581
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:35,040
presenting themselves and they're not

1582
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,799
visiting where they're actually

1583
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:39,040
cohabitating in some way

1584
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:40,160
uh

1585
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,119
in this

1586
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:43,040
on this planet

1587
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:44,000
or

1588
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,960
just adjacent to our particular um

1589
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:50,079
frequency

1590
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,760
of existence

1591
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,160
out on the on the spectrum of what we

1592
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,240
can see and can't see or sense and

1593
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:57,920
cannot sense but i think from the

1594
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:00,880
government's perspective if

1595
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,400
if this is all if the core story is true

1596
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,000
there's certainly

1597
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,640
uh enough reporting over the decades to

1598
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,200
make more than just smoke indicating a

1599
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,720
fire right

1600
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,119
um but it's all

1601
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,880
anecdotal

1602
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:18,799
and the government would be

1603
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:21,440
would be compelled to number one not

1604
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,319
ignore something like this absolutely i

1605
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,760
agree with that

1606
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,640
um they have been exceedingly interested

1607
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:31,200
in this from the very moment

1608
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,799
that

1609
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,640
certainly after the dawn of flight when

1610
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,400
we we were supposedly on the leading

1611
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,079
edge of this stuff this these

1612
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,319
technologies manned flight

1613
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,079
and we're seeing things in the sky that

1614
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,510
outperform any any concepts that we have

1615
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,920
as far as how they might operate

1616
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,680
the government would be looking at the

1617
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,079
risk of number one there's the state of

1618
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,200
the art the technical state of the art

1619
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,520
and i know for a fact

1620
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,359
that

1621
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,920
the government our government other fur

1622
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:05,520
other peer

1623
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,000
nations in the world most most

1624
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,839
first-rate countries

1625
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,680
are striving to stay ahead of the

1626
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,280
technological state of the art in

1627
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:15,440
various categories of technology and

1628
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,640
advancements

1629
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,319
that are made whether it's medical or

1630
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:20,880
military or what have you

1631
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:27,670
that's derived either from observing

1632
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:31,040
these craft over the decades

1633
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,319
or from

1634
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:34,400
having physical access to the material

1635
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,599
because of a crash or a recovery

1636
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,200
an unearthing

1637
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,440
archaeologically or however you acquired

1638
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,119
these vehicles

1639
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:45,839
whether if you have this technology

1640
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,079
and you have derived

1641
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,799
uh state of the art advancements

1642
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,520
that are beyond the current state

1643
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,280
you you know it's like i said to you joe

1644
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,040
you you wouldn't use a sledgehammer to

1645
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,119
drive a 10-penny nail

1646
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:00,960
right so

1647
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:03,920
right now our advancements in in naval

1648
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,079
aviation in in

1649
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:08,640
fighter aircraft for example or bombers

1650
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:09,920
is meant to

1651
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,720
to match and exceed the capabilities of

1652
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,319
our adversaries

1653
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:15,680
to a point

1654
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,079
could we build could we in engineering

1655
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:20,559
is referred to as gold plating

1656
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:21,440
you

1657
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:26,880
typically

1658
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,359
design the perfect widget

1659
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,319
because it's cost prohibitive it's time

1660
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,480
consuming and there's so much risk

1661
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,400
involved and do you really need it at

1662
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:39,200
the end of the day do you need

1663
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:40,240
a

1664
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,930
other technologies

1665
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:55,280
[Music]

1666
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:58,559
can probably get the job done so unless

1667
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,359
our national backs are against the wall

1668
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:03,920
from a national security standpoint

1669
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,640
where national survival is

1670
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,000
at stake

1671
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:10,640
um i don't see even if we have such a

1672
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,599
technology it being unveiled at some

1673
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,160
roll out like the the not too distant

1674
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,799
future we'll see that b21 rolled out the

1675
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,960
new stealth bomber

1676
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:22,799
that is an advancement in the current

1677
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,359
state of the art but it's probably it's

1678
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:27,520
been looked at undoubtedly

1679
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,040
since the b1 program wrapped up

1680
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:33,599
they started theorizing on what how they

1681
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:36,400
could improve that right so

1682
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,280
uh

1683
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,960
the other thing is

1684
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,160
just quick because i do want to get the

1685
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:42,319
grant on this

1686
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:44,960
yeah the last thing is is this the

1687
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,760
societal impacts right if the core story

1688
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:48,799
is true

1689
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,440
if they know much more that it what is

1690
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:52,799
uh

1691
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,680
what is

1692
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:55,280
tossed around out there about the core

1693
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,319
story about who we are with respect to

1694
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,280
the others and so on and so forth

1695
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,920
you're talking about uh

1696
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:05,680
destroying people's fundamental belief

1697
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:06,799
structures

1698
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,000
and that

1699
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,920
would it would it cause a massive stock

1700
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,200
market crash in the world to stop

1701
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,040
spending tomorrow

1702
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,440
who knows what the impacts would be but

1703
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:16,720
it would not be

1704
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:19,920
insignificant from a societal standpoint

1705
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,760
right so there's a lot and i imagine

1706
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:23,440
there are intense meetings that have

1707
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,079
gone on probably still going on about

1708
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:28,880
these hearings about these about these

1709
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,119
the investigation into this topic on the

1710
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,880
capitol on capitol hill

1711
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:35,040
and there i would be surprised if there

1712
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,480
weren't intense negotiations between the

1713
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,400
powers that are in charge of these

1714
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:42,480
programs if they exist they apparently

1715
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,520
do

1716
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,760
and those that are seeking answers

1717
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:48,000
to let them know that hey this is a hot

1718
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:49,280
potato

1719
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,799
and we have to be very very careful

1720
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,839
okay so

1721
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,520
real quick chase and i wanted to quickly

1722
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:57,280
get you around real quick just just to

1723
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,390
the other question to ask yourself and

1724
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,079
michael you're obviously more familiar

1725
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:08,160
than the rest of the group with this

1726
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:09,280
um

1727
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:12,880
is we see what psychological operations

1728
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,599
is capable of within usg and other

1729
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,359
governments around the world

1730
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,960
um you know if the audience isn't they

1731
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,359
can certainly google that and and get

1732
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,440
some examples of of some psychological

1733
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:24,720
operations and

1734
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,920
and this is a this is a core part of the

1735
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,359
overall system

1736
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:31,920
um so you have to ask yourself if

1737
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,160
if all of this is

1738
01:01:40,349 --> 01:01:37,200
contained within usg or privatized

1739
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,359
somewhere it is the most

1740
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:42,799
compartmentalized secured

1741
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,119
protected thing ever

1742
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,359
it has to be and so you have to ask

1743
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,119
yourself the question

1744
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,359
are we really looking at

1745
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,280
what we think we're looking at are we or

1746
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,280
do we really have all the information

1747
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,440
and the right intelligence aside from

1748
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,760
you know our own personal experiences

1749
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,440
and and what we

1750
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,160
what we think is right based on those

1751
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,559
and and you know the the other the other

1752
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,400
work that we all have done

1753
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:12,710
it's it's it's interesting to think

1754
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,559
about um you know because uh

1755
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:18,640
agencies

1756
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,280
you know carried on a stick kind of

1757
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:25,440
thing i mean that's part of the

1758
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,799
operation

1759
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,280
in getting the getting the bad guy isn't

1760
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,960
it um so

1761
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:33,440
if they're protecting

1762
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,839
fort knox here

1763
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,839
if you will

1764
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,039
they're going to be protecting it really

1765
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,280
really well so i i don't know you could

1766
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,200
make the argument maybe maybe there are

1767
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,039
conversations going on and maybe they're

1768
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,440
concerned about

1769
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,839
the things that are making the news but

1770
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:51,599
on the other hand they might be the ones

1771
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,200
that are putting those things on the

1772
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:55,359
news and making those conversations

1773
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:57,440
happen so that we're focused on one

1774
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:58,960
thing and not focused on the other and

1775
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,799
this is where the other side of the

1776
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:02,559
argument comes up and those that haven't

1777
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:04,160
had these personal experiences that say

1778
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:05,200
well yeah

1779
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:07,280
this is a this is an operation to take

1780
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:08,960
your mind off of one thing and make you

1781
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,359
think that fairies are real or whatever

1782
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:12,720
and um

1783
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:15,039
and in in you know in reality it's uh

1784
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,960
you know the new tr-3b of course i don't

1785
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:20,720
agree with that but but that's an

1786
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:23,440
argument that comes up but it is it is a

1787
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:26,559
good argument that that um

1788
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:27,599
you know

1789
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,839
if we think that we're really close to

1790
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,319
uncovering the truth

1791
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:34,799
we're up against

1792
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:38,160
at least a 775 billion dollar budget in

1793
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,039
2022 or 715 and that's just the part of

1794
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,160
the budget that's been publicized

1795
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,640
and individuals that

1796
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,799
that do put carrots on sticks for a

1797
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,319
living

1798
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:52,960
so it's something to think about so yeah

1799
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:55,440
i think there's a certain aspect of

1800
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:57,280
as well from a

1801
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,079
counter intelligence perspective of

1802
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,160
of some fishing right there's

1803
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:04,799
information that would be out there

1804
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,200
to to get to generate a response from

1805
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:09,440
our adversaries to try to fish and find

1806
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:12,240
out where they are on this topic or any

1807
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,839
topic right any technological

1808
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,760
advancement topic

1809
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,599
um you're going to be trying to do

1810
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,920
things to stir the pot

1811
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,880
to get

1812
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:23,760
the other side to commit some

1813
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,799
error in giving out facts

1814
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,480
about what their programs might involve

1815
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:30,319
so there's probably the truth is usually

1816
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:31,599
i say this a lot it's somewhere in the

1817
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,200
middle there's there are too many

1818
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:35,440
reports over the decades for this not to

1819
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:37,119
be something

1820
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:37,920
there's

1821
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,359
there are too many actual memos that you

1822
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,680
know the book i refer to a lot uh ufos

1823
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:45,920
in government a historical perspective

1824
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,839
is comprised entirely

1825
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,160
of of writing from

1826
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,240
actual the horse's mouth right what is

1827
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,680
the government said about this over the

1828
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:54,720
decades

1829
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,359
and it clearly points to

1830
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:59,440
that there is something they are deeply

1831
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:01,599
interested in this topic the what we're

1832
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,760
talking about are the advancements and

1833
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,920
the core knowledge that they have

1834
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:07,920
where the advancements made from uh

1835
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,160
exploiting the technology or exploding

1836
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,240
the observations and we know from paul

1837
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,880
hill's book from nasa langley's research

1838
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:16,240
that

1839
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,319
they knew a hell of a lot

1840
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:20,240
that still are being things that are

1841
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:21,680
still being referred to today as

1842
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:24,880
breaking uh how physics works when paul

1843
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:27,520
hill and his team said clearly

1844
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,039
that these things

1845
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,119
from their maneuvering standpoint they

1846
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,920
they don't break physics as we know it

1847
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:35,599
they bank to turn

1848
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,079
they pitch back to stop they tilt

1849
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,319
forward to go forward

1850
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:42,640
they when their their luminosity their

1851
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:43,839
brightness

1852
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,319
is uh is a product of the power level of

1853
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,319
the power source on board

1854
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:50,880
and they cause effects radiation or

1855
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,000
otherwise on on humans animals

1856
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,799
uh living things uh burn marks on the

1857
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:58,400
ground and so forth

1858
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,960
um they knew all of this according to

1859
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,559
you know paul hill

1860
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:04,400
who wasn't allowed to publish his book

1861
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:06,079
and so it was done posthumously by his

1862
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:08,079
daughter after his death he wasn't

1863
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:09,599
allowed to do that to publish that book

1864
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,200
while he the results of his work while

1865
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,520
he worked for nasa by his management he

1866
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,200
was disallowed from doing so

1867
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,599
that's a fascinating book that and so

1868
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:19,520
people you know i always say well why

1869
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:22,000
are we doing kicking this can again

1870
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:25,359
right the government's known for decades

1871
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:27,280
so this is all they're all you know

1872
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:29,599
they're acting that i say acting the uap

1873
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:31,119
task force report when they went back to

1874
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,789
time and and no more than beyond 2004.

1875
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,400
the fact that they

1876
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:52,640
they put a cutoff date in there is

1877
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,720
laughable but um

1878
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,640
you know so there is it's almost like if

1879
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,799
sap programs are reviewed the way they

1880
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:00,799
we know that they're reviewed and by

1881
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,680
experience these latest documents on how

1882
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,000
how those programs work and how their

1883
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:07,920
how the oversight works

1884
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,240
is accurate and

1885
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:12,319
one of the main functions of those of

1886
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,799
those the senior review group and the

1887
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,319
safehawk is

1888
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,480
is to to try to avoid wasting money on

1889
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:20,640
redundant programs that's why you report

1890
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,119
your program they then go off and survey

1891
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,720
the community to find out if there's

1892
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,200
another similar program program running

1893
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,200
somewhere else so that we're not pumping

1894
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:30,799
billions into two separate funding

1895
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:33,359
streams doing virtually the same thing

1896
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:36,799
uh and and that may or may not be

1897
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,680
why senator harry reid was denied the

1898
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:41,359
application for

1899
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,319
uh his programs to be

1900
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,319
uh turned into a sap

1901
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:48,000
it's because somebody had

1902
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:49,839
had the insight to understand and the

1903
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:52,000
knowledge to understand that

1904
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,839
well this has been going on for decades

1905
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:55,440
over here so we don't want to make

1906
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:59,039
another one over here right so

1907
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,480
yeah but again i don't know that i'm

1908
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,480
just telling you what what my opinion is

1909
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,319
no no i i definitely you know

1910
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,160
reinventing the wheel but probably i

1911
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,640
think we've already done it grant

1912
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:10,240
give me something give me some hope

1913
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,680
grant

1914
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:13,920
face and michael we're not going to see

1915
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:14,720
any

1916
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:17,359
proof of a crash achievable program in

1917
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:19,040
our lifetimes

1918
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,199
what do you think well what i would say

1919
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:23,520
is i was in this since 1975 and i

1920
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,759
remember i was at an ex-conference and

1921
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,440
steve bassett had all the speakers on

1922
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:29,759
the on the uh stage at the very end for

1923
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,839
a panel and he said when do you think

1924
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,279
disclosure is going to take place this

1925
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,199
was at least 10 years ago maybe 15 years

1926
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:37,199
ago and it went down the thing oh six

1927
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:38,640
months a year and it came to me and i

1928
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,679
said

1929
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:42,000
2041. you should have seen steve bass's

1930
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,279
face it's like how could you say that in

1931
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,359
front of all these people i never ever

1932
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:47,359
believed we'd get disclosure on ufos i

1933
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:48,880
never believed the government would

1934
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,040
would admit that they had a program that

1935
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,199
ufos were real and then they did because

1936
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:55,359
i wrote an article called 64 reasons

1937
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,719
they've decided not to tell you the

1938
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,560
truth and some of the reasons were

1939
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,480
brought up just recent just in the last

1940
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,319
couple of minutes it was steve steve

1941
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,279
bassett used her steve brewers to say oh

1942
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,799
stock market's going to melt down people

1943
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,080
are going to realize you

1944
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:10,000
oil isn't worth anything you know people

1945
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,600
are going to commit suicide and when the

1946
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,199
new york times article came out what

1947
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,600
happened absolutely nothing it was just

1948
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:17,199
like nothing had happened everybody just

1949
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,960
went on with their life and i think the

1950
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:20,080
same thing would happen if they

1951
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:21,839
confirmed there was christos because

1952
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:23,120
most people really don't it would be

1953
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,960
it's an interesting thing it's like

1954
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:26,319
everybody sort of believes it already

1955
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,159
and say okay i believe that like okay

1956
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,480
now tell me where they're from and so i

1957
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:31,920
would not be surprised if it happens

1958
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,239
tomorrow on the other hand i know the

1959
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,640
whole idea behind lead time in weapons

1960
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,880
that the highest classified secrets are

1961
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,640
weapon secrets and this would be the

1962
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,640
high as it was the canadian government

1963
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,880
wrote in 1950 this is the most highly

1964
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:47,040
classified secret in the united states

1965
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,640
and i believe it is because it's the

1966
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,960
idea that if you can use it for a weapon

1967
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,279
one day before your enemy gets the

1968
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,199
weapon you win the war it's like the

1969
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,840
atomic bomb you get the atomic bomb and

1970
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:59,520
japan's working on it and they're one

1971
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:01,120
week behind it's game over because

1972
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,520
you've already used it and and you you

1973
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,600
can't go or you've got a seven-year lead

1974
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,600
time and that was the whole thing is how

1975
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,760
how much is the lead time but i would

1976
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,440
say that this could break almost

1977
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,679
instantaneously you even had situations

1978
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:16,000
where if you're talking to lula zondo

1979
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,120
you don't ask them do they have a

1980
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,520
cross-saucer program you say as as

1981
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,440
tucker carlson said do you believe it's

1982
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,920
possible there's a cross-officer program

1983
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:25,440
and little alexandra said yeah i believe

1984
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:27,440
that's possible you get this thing where

1985
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,960
lou is right on the edge these people

1986
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:30,880
are right on the edge of saying yes this

1987
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,400
thing's for real and um i would say and

1988
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,840
i've heard that they're working on right

1989
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,920
now is the immunity program that the

1990
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,600
people that are going to come in the

1991
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:42,400
next hearing have immunity if that

1992
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,560
happens it's game over because i say

1993
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:46,640
it's game over if hal put off and

1994
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,280
and eric davis go up there and even in

1995
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,840
the chat there was a mention that that

1996
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,920
george knapp has a whole series of

1997
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,520
people that have talked to him that are

1998
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,280
willing to go public to confirm there's

1999
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,920
a cross officer program i remember i

2000
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,960
wrote about

2001
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,560
um

2002
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:04,480
the bob lazar case because we were there

2003
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,920
when this was happening we wrote about

2004
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,320
it in 1990 when when the story was

2005
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,400
breaking and i talked to george knapp

2006
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,719
about his witnesses most people don't

2007
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:14,800
realize george knapp had not won he had

2008
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:17,360
25 witnesses that backed up the lazar

2009
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:19,040
story and he talked about the six

2010
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,400
witnesses that were going to go on

2011
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,480
camera and they got threatened one after

2012
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:24,400
another and george was very upset not so

2013
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,840
much that these people didn't go on

2014
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,520
camera but the fact that his phone had

2015
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,280
been tapped and he talked about the

2016
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,440
woman who was the steno when they moved

2017
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:33,600
the stuff from from uh

2018
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:36,640
wright patterson to area 51 and she took

2019
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,120
the notes of the meetings of all this

2020
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,199
stuff being transferred there stuff like

2021
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,640
that that these people are willing to go

2022
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,640
forward all it takes is one guy like

2023
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:46,640
eric davis to say yes we have a cross

2024
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,040
saucer program or the story that i heard

2025
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,960
maybe from eric davis maybe from someone

2026
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,880
back in those days was that there was a

2027
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,960
general who had gone into the thing and

2028
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,120
he put his hand on the side of the craft

2029
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:59,040
and the craft was alive these sort of

2030
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:00,560
things if you get one of those stories

2031
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,080
that comes forward and that's what's

2032
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:04,880
happened with i think it's almost

2033
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:07,120
inevitable because you hear like jim

2034
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,640
semivan went and he said to the

2035
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,560
government he tells the story i went to

2036
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,320
the government the highest level people

2037
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,320
in all the three letter agencies and i

2038
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:16,159
said you guys had a chance to get this

2039
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,080
out you didn't get it out we're going to

2040
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,000
drop it and it was the idea that all

2041
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,640
these retired people like alexander and

2042
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:25,199
put off and and and justice and all

2043
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:26,880
these guys we're going to drop this

2044
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,880
thing we're going to go ahead you guys

2045
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,320
had your chance you can't you could

2046
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:32,159
never get the story out and he said the

2047
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,960
response was oh okay go ahead and keep

2048
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,880
us keep us informed as what's going on

2049
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:38,880
so they're basically moving and i think

2050
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:41,120
from the black world to the white world

2051
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,719
because i think the problem in the the

2052
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:44,640
crash retrieval problem in the black

2053
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,400
world has been described by all the

2054
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,480
people who talk about it in in these

2055
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,560
last couple of years is this stovepiping

2056
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,320
thing that they can't figure it out

2057
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,560
because nobody they have no access to

2058
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:56,400
what anybody else is doing so these peop

2059
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:58,080
these guys have the electrical stuff

2060
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,840
these guys have the metal stuff nobody's

2061
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,360
talking with each other and if you can

2062
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,280
get it into the white world where you

2063
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,760
have this cosmic club or invisible

2064
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:07,280
college or whatever it is these guys

2065
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,880
that want to work on this thing and you

2066
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,560
get hundreds of people working on it

2067
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:12,480
that will help the black world solve the

2068
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,320
problem and it's always going to be the

2069
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:16,239
fact that they need this thing and i

2070
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:17,440
don't think the black world has that i

2071
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,880
think they have that slow packing

2072
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:21,199
problem that that people talk about that

2073
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:22,880
they they're not getting anywhere

2074
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:24,000
because

2075
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,560
it's it's so compartmentalized that the

2076
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,800
whole investigation is broken down so

2077
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:29,760
they i believe they have the

2078
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,840
cross-saucer material i believe all this

2079
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,520
kind of stuff but i still go with the

2080
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,760
fact that they this they still can't

2081
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:36,960
figure out all that they've got some

2082
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,280
stuff like for example nitinol the idea

2083
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,520
that they had the metal that

2084
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,440
when they first discovered the memory

2085
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,880
metal that

2086
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:46,880
you've got these spin-offs so you see a

2087
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:49,120
few small items but nothing major i

2088
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,320
always say you know if they had the

2089
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,320
technology i heard back in 75 they had

2090
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,000
the technology and i said well if they

2091
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:55,760
had the technology i think they would

2092
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:56,960
they should have done a bit better in

2093
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:59,040
the vietnam war they were just launching

2094
01:14:01,910 --> 01:14:00,400
rockets and and

2095
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,920
every plane that comes out advanced

2096
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:03,679
plane is still just a plane there's

2097
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:05,040
nothing that really

2098
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:07,520
symbolizes that they've actually cracked

2099
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,560
this thing and i think as as a

2100
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:12,960
jim semivan said

2101
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,320
when you take a look at it there doesn't

2102
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,120
even appear to be a there there this has

2103
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:18,800
got something to do with consciousness

2104
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:21,760
and entry and multi-dimensions that

2105
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:23,199
there's really nothing there to look at

2106
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:25,360
it's that advanced it's that far down

2107
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,880
the road and that's why i think you're

2108
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,400
trying to move it into the white world

2109
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:30,480
to get help from scientists as gary

2110
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:32,960
nolan says you you it may be anecdotal

2111
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,880
but even ufo sightings are anecdotal

2112
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,280
it's all it's all the same thing and and

2113
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,440
gary nolan says you look at the five

2114
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:41,600
percent of the stuff that's outside the

2115
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,760
curve the bell curve that's what you

2116
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,440
look at because that's the anomaly

2117
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,560
that's what's going to tell you where

2118
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,640
the new technology is and you work on

2119
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:50,239
that so i think

2120
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:51,920
there's a lot of people working on it

2121
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:53,199
and i think

2122
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,719
i would not be surprised if there's a

2123
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,719
confirmation even in a couple of days

2124
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:58,640
all it takes is one guy who's got

2125
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,199
immunity who stands up as i said the

2126
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:03,040
wilson league document has already been

2127
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,719
read into the

2128
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:06,320
the congressional investigation on this

2129
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:08,560
subject it's it's public in the

2130
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:10,880
government now and so there's gonna be a

2131
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,760
questions asked about it and uh they're

2132
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,920
evidently gonna bring in hell put off

2133
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,360
and they're gonna bring in eric davis

2134
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:19,360
they're gonna give him immunity and it's

2135
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:20,719
game over

2136
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:23,199
yeah and and i think that the new ufo

2137
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:26,080
office arrow arrow they will learn a lot

2138
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,840
of interesting things the question for

2139
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:29,440
us is are we going to get to learn that

2140
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,760
which that's the big question and i'm

2141
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:32,960
skeptical that we're going to learn

2142
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,360
anything right now i hope so but let me

2143
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:37,440
get since you brought up consciousness

2144
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,560
because there are people in the chat

2145
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,320
that think you know these guys are just

2146
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,080
nuts and bolts what about consciousness

2147
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:44,400
i am really interested in consciousness

2148
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,920
when i first started getting into this

2149
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,360
that's all i was reading about and i

2150
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,280
know everybody on the panel is

2151
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:50,800
interested so

2152
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:53,360
the question

2153
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,159
for the panel an educated speculation is

2154
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,320
the phenomena we're witnessing different

2155
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:00,800
forms of intelligence

2156
01:16:04,510 --> 01:16:03,040
interdimensional extraterrestrial i'm

2157
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:04,520
not sure it's ct is but

2158
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,159
ultra-terrestrial there's so many you

2159
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:07,840
know time traveling

2160
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,239
and which famous cases fall within which

2161
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,320
form of intelligence i will just go

2162
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,840
quickly i think most of what we're

2163
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,000
dealing with is something that's

2164
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:18,320
native to this planet and it's it's not

2165
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:19,679
something physical it's something that

2166
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:22,000
can take physical form and

2167
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:24,159
you know reading john keel in ballet

2168
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,760
that's kind of where i get some of my

2169
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:27,600
ideas from so

2170
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,679
i think the majority of it is that but

2171
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,760
yeah there may be ets here too i don't

2172
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,760
know time travel is maybe and we'll go

2173
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:35,199
let me just go clockwise i'll start with

2174
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,870
oh hell you're gonna put me on the spot

2175
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,159
here aren't you

2176
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,800
um in consciousness anything so fine

2177
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:47,280
just an opinion yeah i'll make it i'll

2178
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,560
make it short um

2179
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:52,560
look like i said before in the show you

2180
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:55,679
know for the rest of the audience um

2181
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:56,960
i came from

2182
01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:58,960
a position in which i thought i was very

2183
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:02,400
rational and logical um

2184
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:03,440
and

2185
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:04,480
if

2186
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:07,360
i had run into someone on the street six

2187
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:08,480
years ago

2188
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,280
uh that that was talking about

2189
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:13,920
ultra dimensionality as some kind of

2190
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:15,280
entity

2191
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,159
contact event or communicating with

2192
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,400
other intelligent life aside from

2193
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,320
physical life

2194
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,880
because i did have my own experiences at

2195
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,560
a young age

2196
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,320
with what i perceive to be physical

2197
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:30,480
craft

2198
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:31,840
i would have thought that person was

2199
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,040
crazy

2200
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,280
that's not the position that i have now

2201
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,600
today

2202
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:39,840
and my entire

2203
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,400
position on my existence has completely

2204
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:44,480
changed as well because of my

2205
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:47,520
experiences and and where my research

2206
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:49,360
has led me and grant has been with me

2207
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:52,480
for a good part of that um

2208
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,800
uh you know a friend of mine anyway and

2209
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:56,159
uh you know

2210
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:58,800
confidant um

2211
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:59,520
so

2212
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,880
you know the answer the question to

2213
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,400
answer the audience question real real

2214
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,320
quickly my opinion is that it's all of

2215
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:06,719
the above i'm not going to speculate as

2216
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,239
to you know what

2217
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,640
uh historical accounts were

2218
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,199
representative of interdimensional

2219
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:15,840
extra-dimensional ultra-dimensional uh

2220
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,080
or or extraterrestrial

2221
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:20,159
types um

2222
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,760
we could we could make an exercise of

2223
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,440
that but but i don't really understand

2224
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,520
the value in that exercise

2225
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,679
all with all due respect

2226
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,920
um

2227
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,760
i think that

2228
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,600
my answer at this point in my life is

2229
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,630
it's all consciousness baby

2230
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:41,120
that's what it is it's all about

2231
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,280
perception and uh

2232
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,440
i refer to each individual as a

2233
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:47,120
perceptual dimension

2234
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:49,520
and it's all subjective and i've had

2235
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:52,159
experiences that are textbook alien

2236
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:53,679
abduction experiences that were not

2237
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,120
physical

2238
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,600
that were absolutely real

2239
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:59,440
there was absolute communication and

2240
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:00,719
telepathy

2241
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:03,600
i certainly was not in my home any

2242
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:04,640
longer

2243
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:06,840
and i was looking to have that kind of

2244
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:09,679
experience um and i've had experiences

2245
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:10,560
where

2246
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:12,400
lights have appeared in the sky very

2247
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:16,080
similar to you know the ce5 term coined

2248
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:19,440
by greer but you know this concept of

2249
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,640
human initiated contact event going out

2250
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:24,239
and having an event

2251
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:27,960
i was doing research on

2252
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:30,239
non-localized consciousness and there's

2253
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:31,679
some really compelling evidence in

2254
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:35,199
neurophysiology neuroscience today

2255
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:36,960
for anyone interested in the audience i

2256
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:39,199
would suggest looking up orchestrated

2257
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,960
objective reductionism there's a really

2258
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:42,400
interesting paper there by a nobel

2259
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:43,679
laureate

2260
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:46,360
and there's some really interesting

2261
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:48,320
neurophysiological evidence

2262
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:54,229
uh johns hopkins

2263
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,320
on uh our brains intersecting with a

2264
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,640
quantum vibratory field

2265
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,719
i'll leave it at that uh you could do an

2266
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:04,400
entire show on just that

2267
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,440
and many shows on just that but um

2268
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:09,840
yeah you know i think the experiences

2269
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:12,719
that we have are more than just random

2270
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:13,600
um

2271
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:16,880
this concept of coincidence is not what

2272
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:20,960
uh modern science believes it thinks it

2273
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,920
is

2274
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:24,000
there's a lot of things that we have

2275
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:26,159
gotten wrong and there's a lot of things

2276
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,400
we've gotten right but we're

2277
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:32,950
in more ways than one

2278
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:37,120
and a lot of this conversation around

2279
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:42,790
many of these details is

2280
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:45,280
is noise

2281
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:46,639
you don't you don't need to go looking

2282
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,520
for it you can go outside turn the

2283
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:51,840
lights off close your eyes

2284
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,560
you find it i know i sound like a hippie

2285
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:56,239
on the mountain with love beads and my

2286
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:57,679
pants off but

2287
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:59,679
um there's there's a lot of truth in

2288
01:21:01,590 --> 01:21:00,800
that

2289
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,600
so

2290
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,760
that's where i'm at

2291
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:05,280
yeah

2292
01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:16,790
you're music

2293
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,629
i unders i understand that tape because

2294
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:20,000
i do have an interest in that and

2295
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,280
publicly you would see although if you

2296
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:23,040
see me on twitter you see i just i do

2297
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:25,199
talk a lot about consciousness related

2298
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:26,480
stuff which i don't know if we'll get to

2299
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:28,159
today with bankston and the work which i

2300
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,679
know grant knows about i know chase

2301
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,760
knows about it's my favorite subject

2302
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,760
um but we'll get to that michael your

2303
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:35,120
take and then we'll get to grant as far

2304
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:36,639
as what we're dealing with what's your

2305
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,840
opinion on what we might be dealing with

2306
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:41,440
i think it's a little bit of everything

2307
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:43,280
i i think

2308
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:46,400
if you look at put off's recent paper

2309
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:47,360
he

2310
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:50,320
i wonder very seriously how much of that

2311
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:51,760
is

2312
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:58,320
or breadcrumb dropping in in the on the

2313
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:00,239
part of put off putting out there the

2314
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:03,199
leading hypotheses um

2315
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:05,120
there there is certainly there are

2316
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,639
indications

2317
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:09,199
that there's a tremendous consciousness

2318
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:10,400
aspect

2319
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:13,040
there are indications that

2320
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:14,800
these are estro

2321
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:17,280
extraterrestrial there are indications

2322
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:18,080
that

2323
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:24,960
strong indication based on some very

2324
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:27,840
good evidence that's out there

2325
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:28,639
that

2326
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,400
there's a nuts and bolts

2327
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:32,159
there's a material aspect to this as

2328
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:34,320
well i mean there are

2329
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,480
soil compression tests that have been

2330
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,800
done based on sightings

2331
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,320
uh just

2332
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:42,880
just to throw one out there valet talks

2333
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:45,360
about this in uh in france

2334
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:47,600
it was uh i forget what year it was but

2335
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:49,520
it trump trends in province i can't

2336
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:52,560
remember how to say that in french but

2337
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:54,080
this thing landed on some railroad

2338
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:55,120
tracks

2339
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,880
and they did compression tests on the

2340
01:23:02,390 --> 01:22:59,360
cross ties and they discovered that

2341
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,400
this thing weighed uh on the order of 30

2342
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,159
something thousand pounds you know so

2343
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,560
that's about 15 tons

2344
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,320
and then again going back to nasa

2345
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,880
langley's research in paul hill's book

2346
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:13,120
he described these from a nuts and bolts

2347
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:14,320
perspective

2348
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:17,520
of having the density as having mass

2349
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:19,040
or density

2350
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:21,520
approaching that of a submarine

2351
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:22,639
more so

2352
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,000
more than

2353
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:26,400
more so than an aircraft for example

2354
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:29,120
which would be lighter weight conserving

2355
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:30,880
uh yet powerful

2356
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:33,040
these things had a density

2357
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,600
um had a mass to them and that there

2358
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,320
were several uh and he shows the math he

2359
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,159
shows the evidence and he you know shows

2360
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,400
why he comes to these conclusions

2361
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:44,000
so there's a little bit of

2362
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:45,280
of each a little bit of something in

2363
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,360
there for everyone so to speak and i

2364
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,600
believe those are all valid

2365
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:51,600
approaches that put off writes about i

2366
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,600
just wonder again

2367
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:55,679
whether he's um

2368
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:58,719
sort of pointing research in in sort of

2369
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,800
preferred directions based on what might

2370
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:02,719
already be known i wonder if that's

2371
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,880
enough or is he's purely just scatter

2372
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:06,159
braining and throwing this stuff out

2373
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,080
there i find that given the way put off

2374
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:12,480
is a very uh

2375
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:13,760
forward

2376
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,880
leading person as far as everything he's

2377
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,040
everything he says is purposeful

2378
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:21,199
everything he says is is very well

2379
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,560
thought out

2380
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:23,760
um

2381
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,950
when i apply that to this

2382
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:32,000
i don't know what's up with the mute

2383
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,679
button here but when i apply that to his

2384
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:35,840
latest paper i it makes me wonder how

2385
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:37,120
much of that is

2386
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:39,199
is pushing the community

2387
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,080
in very discreet directions

2388
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:44,159
because he's advocating that you go down

2389
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,320
you pick a path and you go down it right

2390
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:48,239
you come to a fork in the road take the

2391
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:50,159
fork take a fork

2392
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,600
research it

2393
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,600
drive it to conclusions if the

2394
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:55,840
conclusions are negative

2395
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,920
you're done go down the next fork go

2396
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:59,520
down the next path

2397
01:25:01,990 --> 01:25:00,800
and

2398
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:02,000
he's indicating there's a little

2399
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,280
something there

2400
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,520
in all of those aspects

2401
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,199
grant

2402
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:08,960
um i'm with chase

2403
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,880
i believe it's all consciousness and i

2404
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:12,400
think you've got to go back to the

2405
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:13,840
original

2406
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,400
um guys in quantum physics whether it's

2407
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,320
boom or planck or heisenberg or

2408
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,480
schrodinger all these guys said

2409
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,960
consciousness is primary that's what

2410
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,320
we've got to get we got to get that

2411
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,480
right and then the rest all figures out

2412
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:28,639
but we keep thinking that matter creates

2413
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,320
consciousness it's the other way around

2414
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:32,400
consciousness is primary as they said

2415
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:34,960
these quantum physics skies nothing gets

2416
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:37,840
behind consciousness it is primary so uh

2417
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,639
what i would say if in the end it's all

2418
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,719
going to be different vibration they're

2419
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,560
in a consciousness vibration that's

2420
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,400
different than us you just change the

2421
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,560
dial you'll hear experiences talk about

2422
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,080
being around beings and they're

2423
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,480
vibrating they can't be very near the

2424
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:54,639
beings beings can't stay here very long

2425
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,639
because this vibration thing i think

2426
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:58,400
it's like deepak chopra says

2427
01:26:02,709 --> 01:26:00,639
everything's an action everything is an

2428
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:02,719
activity inside consciousness when you

2429
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:05,360
break it down the example i always give

2430
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,480
is if you um have a near-death

2431
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,639
experience or another body experience

2432
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,480
and you float above your body and you

2433
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:14,880
look back at your body you see

2434
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,840
that your body is still there and your

2435
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:20,400
body is now inside your awareness it's

2436
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:22,000
inside your consciousness you can look

2437
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,440
at the brain you say is consciousness

2438
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:25,440
creating

2439
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:29,040
consciousness is floating in the room

2440
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,639
the consciousness is here and the brain

2441
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:32,560
is over there so the it's the it's the

2442
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,760
other way around and then that

2443
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,199
consciousness can go and look out the

2444
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:37,600
window and see the stars and the planets

2445
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,679
and that is inside the consciousness

2446
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:42,000
it's this this idea that steve greer has

2447
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,360
a lot of different examples like news

2448
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,679
but steve greer always quotes this thing

2449
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:48,480
you see yourself as a puny form when

2450
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,440
within you the universe is enfolded

2451
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,600
that's the thing that i think may flip

2452
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:55,440
is if there's no time and space if those

2453
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,920
are creations how big is the universe i

2454
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,360
remember i was interviewing those were

2455
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:01,199
two women in england who had this they

2456
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,000
called the beings that they had contact

2457
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:07,040
with these beings and um i was talking

2458
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:08,880
to both of them and they independently

2459
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,159
and they would tell me stuff and then

2460
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,520
they said oh the beings want to have a

2461
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,440
talk with you so i went to interview

2462
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:15,440
these beings and they they sort of

2463
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:17,120
appear only the one woman can see them

2464
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,800
they're like black they don't have faces

2465
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:20,159
they don't have anything they're just

2466
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:22,159
sort of black forms little tiny guys

2467
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:23,600
that run around they're maybe one foot

2468
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,080
tall or whatever and um there's two of

2469
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:27,840
them and so i said to them i said are

2470
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:30,960
you extraterrestrial and they said oh

2471
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,719
do you want us to be extraterrestrial we

2472
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,320
can be extraterrestrial if you want we

2473
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:36,159
can take you to our planet if you want

2474
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:38,480
but no we're not extraterrestrial we've

2475
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:40,800
always been here and you hear this over

2476
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:42,800
and over again the idea that that

2477
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:44,480
everything is here everything is now

2478
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,080
there is no time there's no space

2479
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:47,840
everything's here and now it's all like

2480
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:50,400
pages on top of a book and that may be

2481
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:52,320
the idea is that you're going within

2482
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,600
yourself if you talk to other body

2483
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:55,199
experienced people they're going within

2484
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,719
themselves chase talked about this

2485
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:59,120
experience he was working on this field

2486
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:00,639
we won't get into it but he was working

2487
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:02,639
in the field so was i and he had this

2488
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:05,120
experience where time was totally

2489
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:06,880
altered where he was in the subduction

2490
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:08,080
experience i remember

2491
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,679
talking to him i said

2492
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,600
you had an abduction experience and he

2493
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:14,480
said yeah i said was it real and there's

2494
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:17,280
no way that it was a an alien that came

2495
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:18,800
to his bedroom and took him out he was

2496
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,880
lying on a couch for 10 minutes and all

2497
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:22,400
this happened the time the space

2498
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:24,080
everything twisted and that's what we've

2499
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:26,400
got to realize we're in 1492. we're

2500
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:28,239
believing the world's flat the sun goes

2501
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,560
around the earth there's a pile of stuff

2502
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,639
with our naive realism we think this is

2503
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:34,560
happening it's happening and things like

2504
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:36,400
these experiences that chase had that

2505
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:37,600
i've had

2506
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,880
it tell you

2507
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:40,480
you got something wrong here this would

2508
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:42,800
not be happening if the world was the

2509
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:44,480
way it's being described and that's the

2510
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:46,480
anomaly that's what gary nolan says you

2511
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:48,480
go after the five percent

2512
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,159
that is doesn't make any sense because

2513
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:52,000
that's where the nobel prizes are that's

2514
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:53,360
where the discoveries are going to be

2515
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:55,199
and i believe this when you break it all

2516
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,639
down this is all going to be

2517
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:58,320
consciousness and that was the sort of

2518
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:00,800
the vision i had in 2012 watching that

2519
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:02,159
lecture where it sort of came into my

2520
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:04,080
head out of this download experience

2521
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:05,440
where i've been spending my whole life

2522
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,960
looking at ufos and i couldn't figure it

2523
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:09,120
out and they said it's consciousness

2524
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:11,120
it's all consciousness and it came with

2525
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,520
absolute certainty and i just shifted my

2526
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:15,199
whole field and started going down

2527
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:18,239
consciousness and i i can say that the

2528
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,000
experience that chase had

2529
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:22,080
was one of the ones where i said are you

2530
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:23,920
sure it was an election experience and

2531
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:26,159
he said yeah and that sort of clarified

2532
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:28,239
that whole thing abduction experience

2533
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:33,910
just just to add to that too you know

2534
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:35,840
when when i reached out to grant when

2535
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:39,280
grant and i first became acquainted um i

2536
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,000
had a ce5 experience and and uh you know

2537
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:47,350
i was in my kitchen i was going over

2538
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:50,960
all of the i was i was reaching out to

2539
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:52,960
experiencers other experiencers that had

2540
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,920
that had experienced triangle events um

2541
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:57,360
similar to my own

2542
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:59,520
and uh and and prior to that i was

2543
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:01,040
having you know

2544
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,239
um

2545
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:04,320
discussions and and looking through

2546
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,550
this this idea that our our minds our

2547
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:12,639
physiology somehow interface with the

2548
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:14,480
quantum vibratory field so this this

2549
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:16,960
concept of non-locality of non-local

2550
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:19,199
consciousness i was in my kitchen i was

2551
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:22,480
thinking about the day and and all of

2552
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:24,000
this and how it tied together and

2553
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,400
something changed i had an epiphany i

2554
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:28,400
won't go into that epiphany but

2555
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:31,760
i was compelled to go outside um

2556
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:33,760
and i was still operating completely

2557
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:36,480
autonomously and myself i walk outside

2558
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,639
but i feel better physiologically than

2559
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:40,080
i've ever and

2560
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:42,560
mentally as as i've ever felt in my life

2561
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:45,360
still to this day that was

2562
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,960
the most exceptional

2563
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:48,480
moment in my life

2564
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:51,120
i walked outside and i had a question in

2565
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:52,320
my mind

2566
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:56,400
and these lights appeared one by one

2567
01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:59,360
in response to this question and as as

2568
01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:00,639
an engineer

2569
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:03,040
you know thinking statistically thinking

2570
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:05,760
you know i i obviously can

2571
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:07,840
i believe i have very good judgment when

2572
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:09,120
it comes to

2573
01:31:12,149 --> 01:31:10,480
um

2574
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:12,159
you know working out of something as a

2575
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:14,239
plane or a drone or if it's the

2576
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:15,760
underside of a bird that's illuminated

2577
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:18,800
from ground radiation or whatever right

2578
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:21,040
and this wasn't any of that

2579
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:23,199
but i asked the question again and

2580
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:24,719
another light appeared and i asked the

2581
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:26,080
question again and another light

2582
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,679
appeared and my wife at the time came

2583
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:29,840
outside she asked me what i was doing

2584
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:32,000
outside this was about

2585
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:34,239
8 00 p.m central standard it doesn't

2586
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:35,199
matter

2587
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:36,800
8 p.m

2588
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:38,159
she comes outside she said what are you

2589
01:31:41,669 --> 01:31:39,360
doing

2590
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:41,679
i say i think i'm

2591
01:31:46,229 --> 01:31:43,679
calling in ufos and she said you're

2592
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:46,239
effing crazy show me

2593
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:47,840
and i did it again and two of them

2594
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:49,600
appeared next to each other they spun

2595
01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:51,440
around in the sky flew off in opposite

2596
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:52,639
directions

2597
01:31:56,229 --> 01:31:55,280
she lost her mind called her friend

2598
01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:56,239
she's

2599
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:57,760
screaming and

2600
01:32:01,590 --> 01:32:00,000
shaking and sits me down and says i know

2601
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:01,600
it's real i don't want to see it i don't

2602
01:32:05,030 --> 01:32:03,040
want to talk about it

2603
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:05,040
um and i've told grant this this story

2604
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:06,880
before the only reason i mention it now

2605
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:09,120
is because that event

2606
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:10,800
proved to me

2607
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:13,600
i i pulled one primary thing out of that

2608
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:15,760
event

2609
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:17,920
one of two things occurred in my mind

2610
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:20,560
either this was extraterrestrial and

2611
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:22,400
they have technology that interfaces

2612
01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:25,440
with not just my own thoughts but

2613
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:27,679
it seems like everyone thoughts

2614
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:29,280
everyone's thoughts

2615
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:31,120
and for some reason i was singled out

2616
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:33,440
which seems very unlikely

2617
01:32:37,270 --> 01:32:34,639
or

2618
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:37,280
um thoughts were non-local and whatever

2619
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:40,000
that was was not extraterrestrial it was

2620
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:41,600
something entirely different something

2621
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:42,400
that

2622
01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:44,159
uh it doesn't seem like many people are

2623
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:45,520
really talking about at least not the

2624
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:48,080
people in the circles that i was in then

2625
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:49,199
um

2626
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:52,320
so i'm with grant this is all

2627
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:55,440
everything this experience everything is

2628
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:57,360
um

2629
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:00,000
is the paranormal supernatural

2630
01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:03,120
experience what we're having right now

2631
01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:05,440
is is the

2632
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:08,320
is the main event and uh i don't think

2633
01:33:12,629 --> 01:33:09,840
it's um

2634
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:12,639
it's i think i know from my own

2635
01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:15,440
experiences that it's one of an infinite

2636
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:18,400
number of events of experiences

2637
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:22,400
consciousness is um

2638
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:25,760
it doesn't doesn't seem to end

2639
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:29,520
um and uh yeah yeah i'm with you grant i

2640
01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:32,159
just i needed to add that because that

2641
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:34,719
was the moment in time that i shifted as

2642
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:37,600
well from kind of nuts and bolts to

2643
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:39,199
thinking about how can i categorize

2644
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:41,280
cattle mutilations and where can i go to

2645
01:33:44,470 --> 01:33:42,800
find get more information on animal

2646
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:44,480
mutilations and that that was where i

2647
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:45,679
was focused

2648
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:47,040
to um

2649
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:50,880
to what we're doing now so

2650
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:52,239
since

2651
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:54,320
i really want to get i

2652
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:56,320
i want to talk about if you guys have

2653
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:57,199
time

2654
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:58,320
i want to talk about the work of

2655
01:34:01,430 --> 01:33:59,760
bankston if you want to talk about

2656
01:34:03,669 --> 01:34:01,440
consciousness because i've i've been

2657
01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:03,679
speaking about it i first learned about

2658
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:05,679
his work i was working on a show in

2659
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:07,760
houston and our production assistant

2660
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:09,199
she's like have you ever heard of bill

2661
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,320
bankston and

2662
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:12,719
um he was on high you know fireside

2663
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:14,080
chats i'm like i don't know who it is

2664
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:16,000
she's like really good evidence about

2665
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:18,000
healing and like oh healing there's no

2666
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,760
evidence that i've seen that i thought

2667
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:21,760
was credible for healing

2668
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:23,199
she gives me the interview i listen i'm

2669
01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:24,880
like this sounds really really

2670
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:26,960
impressive anyway i wound up taking his

2671
01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:27,840
class

2672
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:32,480
most of the people in ufo twitter have

2673
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:33,760
no interest in it they think it's

2674
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:35,600
nonsense meanwhile he's done study after

2675
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:37,360
study after study grant tell us tell

2676
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:39,040
people who william bankston is and what

2677
01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:41,199
kind of research he engages in

2678
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:42,480
okay well

2679
01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:44,000
and i want to tell an interesting story

2680
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,719
that ties into ufos but uh bankster was

2681
01:34:51,030 --> 01:34:48,719
a guy who was um

2682
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:51,040
he was doing a degree in sociology i

2683
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:52,400
think a phd

2684
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:56,080
and he ran into this guy by name of um

2685
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:57,199
um

2686
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:58,719
he's a psychic guy

2687
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:00,480
benjamin maywick

2688
01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:04,159
mayor mayer miami so merrick was was was

2689
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:05,840
he was in swimming pool and banks and

2690
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,400
was a lifeguard he ran into this guy and

2691
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:10,480
the guy was was able to

2692
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:13,119
do psychic stuff make clouds disappear

2693
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,000
stuff like that and um he sort of got

2694
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:18,239
friendly with this guy and he was doing

2695
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:20,400
the guy was doing healing and stuff and

2696
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:23,119
then he healed bankston's back and

2697
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:24,880
bankster asked him well

2698
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:26,800
how do you do this and he would describe

2699
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:28,880
this process the way i described the

2700
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:31,760
process is what you do is you take ego

2701
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:34,480
ego images so you take uh things it

2702
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:36,320
can't be like when banks into the course

2703
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:37,840
everybody wants to talk about we want to

2704
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:40,159
save the world we want to create a cure

2705
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:41,600
for cancer and stuff he said no you

2706
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:43,119
can't put that stuff in there it's got

2707
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:45,760
to be ego it's got to be selfish stuff

2708
01:35:49,109 --> 01:35:47,520
and so you have a new motorhome and a

2709
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:49,119
way to go around a trip and all this

2710
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:52,719
kind of stuff and and basically

2711
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:54,320
oh yeah yeah the banana you tell the

2712
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,080
banana story and we'll get to the banana

2713
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:57,679
we'll get to the banana in a second

2714
01:36:01,590 --> 01:35:59,679
that's a good one uh because we tested

2715
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:01,600
it out and both both of us found it

2716
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:03,920
worked but anyway so it the interesting

2717
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:05,679
thing was that he you so you get these

2718
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:08,159
ego images and then you memorize them

2719
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:10,000
and then he has this process to go

2720
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:12,159
faster and faster and you you flip these

2721
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:13,600
images in your head you just go from one

2722
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:15,840
to another and they're all these ego

2723
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:18,400
images and he can teach you to do them a

2724
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,760
thousand at a time you put them on a

2725
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,600
clock you get 20 of them on a clock and

2726
01:36:25,109 --> 01:36:23,199
then you spin the clock and all this

2727
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:25,119
kind of stuff so i sort of learned to do

2728
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:27,199
this and i remember when i went in there

2729
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:29,360
um i was interested in the whole thing

2730
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:31,360
because of the the whole thing about the

2731
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:33,040
what's called rapid image cycling that's

2732
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,679
what i call it and so when he got this

2733
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:37,440
process that's what benson told is you

2734
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:39,600
do this rapid image cycling so bankston

2735
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,360
did it and he would heal all these and

2736
01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:43,760
these rats and then if even if they he

2737
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:45,199
was in the same building the rats would

2738
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:47,920
get cured and was he was just bizarre

2739
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:50,000
how they would you know have like 100

2740
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:51,600
cure rate and they claim that they're

2741
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:54,000
the only ones that can actually cure uh

2742
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,199
cancer as long as you haven't had

2743
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,360
radiation or chemotherapy but it was the

2744
01:37:02,390 --> 01:36:59,360
the rapid image cycling that interested

2745
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:02,400
me and if you go to the uh story so

2746
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:03,440
you're getting these images your

2747
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:04,880
flashing engine is really really fast

2748
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:06,880
like a thousand or two thousand a second

2749
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:09,280
in your head and what happens is you get

2750
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,639
the healer out of the way that's what

2751
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:13,360
his idea was you take the ego same as

2752
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:15,360
you do hypnosis you quiet the mind but

2753
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,719
you're not quieting the mind you're

2754
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:18,560
getting the ego the left brain to shut

2755
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:21,119
down and go for coffee so we can and so

2756
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,440
once you get the healer out of the way

2757
01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:25,679
with this rapid image cycling the the

2758
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:27,679
channel opens and the the heat comes out

2759
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:30,400
your left hand so your left hand is run

2760
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,800
by your right brain the right brain is

2761
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:35,119
the female brain it's the the left brain

2762
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,600
is the ego so you shut down the brain

2763
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:38,960
the right brain the heat comes to the

2764
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:40,320
left hand i remember when i was in the

2765
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:41,920
training session and the heat was coming

2766
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:43,360
out of my head i could not believe it i

2767
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:45,199
was like holy this actually works

2768
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,960
and it was just just bizarre but the

2769
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:48,719
rapid image cycling if you take a look

2770
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,119
in the ufo field what you see is the

2771
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:53,840
aliens use exactly the same thing if you

2772
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:56,400
look at the the story of the kids at

2773
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:58,880
ariel school there was a number of them

2774
01:38:02,149 --> 01:38:01,040
emily trim was one where she was there

2775
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:02,159
they were on the logs they're running

2776
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:04,000
along the logs on the side and this

2777
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:06,239
girl's beside her and the being is

2778
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:07,920
standing there with the eyes and the

2779
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,000
stuff is coming out of the eyes and she

2780
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,480
described the images moving extremely

2781
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:14,480
fast and she was getting technological

2782
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:16,320
images almost like banks and these

2783
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:18,000
images were going in her head and and

2784
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:19,600
the emotion was there and the last one

2785
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:21,679
was this big flash and she said that

2786
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:22,880
doesn't mean the world's going to be

2787
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:24,320
destroyed so she's getting these

2788
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:26,400
technological images and the message was

2789
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:27,920
you've got technology but you can do

2790
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:29,760
better the girl is right beside her was

2791
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:31,600
getting the same images

2792
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:33,920
and they were flashing and and the the

2793
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:35,440
girl got

2794
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,880
ecology images about where you're

2795
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,560
destroying the world you got to save the

2796
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:40,560
trees all this kind of stuff and then if

2797
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:43,280
you look at suzy hansen susie hanson

2798
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:45,040
says there was 200 of them i think it

2799
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,639
was 2010 were taken to a theater type

2800
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:50,719
environment like an underground theater

2801
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:52,159
and they were sitting in these these

2802
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:54,480
things and the alien came out and and

2803
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,320
then the thing started there's an image

2804
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,239
flashed on the screen and she said then

2805
01:39:02,149 --> 01:39:00,320
another image and you released these

2806
01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:02,159
ecological images and another one

2807
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:04,239
another one another one another one

2808
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,760
and she said and after a while they were

2809
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:07,920
going over a hundred a minute and she

2810
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:10,000
said they had trained us how to do it

2811
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:11,760
and she said there was people crying and

2812
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:13,520
these images were flashing a hundred at

2813
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,000
a time on the on the screen and all the

2814
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,080
emotion and and the alien just came out

2815
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:20,080
and he waved his hand like this and

2816
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:21,520
everybody quietened down the whole thing

2817
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,000
was over so she talked about this this

2818
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,560
is this uh imaging like that's how they

2819
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,639
move tremendous amount of information

2820
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,719
into your head and make it stick is this

2821
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,400
rapid image so that's what banks was

2822
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,320
doing so when i went to i went to the

2823
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,320
top healer in chicago and i said do you

2824
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:38,400
know that this is a ufology that this

2825
01:39:43,030 --> 01:39:41,040
happens people report this in in ufology

2826
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:43,040
i said as banksy ever had an experience

2827
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:45,840
she said oh yeah she says she said and

2828
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:47,280
then i went and look at his book if you

2829
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:48,960
look at the book that he wrote you'll

2830
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:50,639
see at the very end he said oh bennett

2831
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,800
merrick was having a rough time

2832
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,400
you know what he actually believed you

2833
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:56,800
were some alpha centauri and he had come

2834
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:58,800
to bring this healing to the world and i

2835
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:01,040
was i was his partner into into this

2836
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,800
whole thing and bankston didn't believe

2837
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,719
it but the when the healer said oh you

2838
01:40:08,070 --> 01:40:05,840
didn't know bankston is a big

2839
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:08,080
experiencer he's had a major experience

2840
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,600
that and it was the whole thing it's

2841
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:12,159
like it all tied in default i said wow i

2842
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:13,920
mean it's like all pieces just sort of

2843
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:15,679
came together it was just fascinating

2844
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,560
but it's it's a unique type of healing

2845
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,560
i've used it a couple of times the

2846
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:22,560
problem is that when you learn it then

2847
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,560
how do you who do you heal like it's

2848
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:26,159
kind of hard to unless you set up a

2849
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:29,040
practice but um it's it's quite the

2850
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:31,440
thing and and bankston is a phd

2851
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:34,800
sociologist he he works on this but he's

2852
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:37,520
a very trained guy in in the sciences

2853
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,040
yeah and people who are listening to

2854
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:41,199
this i know a lot of people are saying

2855
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:44,800
what the heck are they talking about and

2856
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,400
i don't know but the alien stuff i had

2857
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,080
never heard the rapid imaging stories

2858
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:50,400
related to aerial school uh right now

2859
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:52,159
the theory is the ariel school students

2860
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,800
saw puppets that is a theory which is

2861
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:56,719
ridiculous whatever they saw they didn't

2862
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:59,920
see a puppet show um but chase and i'm

2863
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,199
sorry michael i know this is not your

2864
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:03,440
wheelhouse as far as bankston but

2865
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:04,960
chase just talk about some of the data

2866
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:07,199
that bankston has you know it has

2867
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:09,760
collected because he has done serious

2868
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:11,199
research and

2869
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:13,600
he is healing mice using this technique

2870
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,280
i don't care what people think about the

2871
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:17,280
technique i don't care what people think

2872
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:20,400
about anything the data is the data just

2873
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:21,679
just talk about your knowledge of some

2874
01:41:26,709 --> 01:41:23,199
of his data and some of the experiments

2875
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:26,719
he's done with schools with universities

2876
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:29,360
yeah absolutely um i i haven't actually

2877
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:31,199
looked at the documentation in a while

2878
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:33,040
because i've gotten i've gotten tired

2879
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,320
and trying to argue uh or not argue but

2880
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:38,400
you know defend my position and forgive

2881
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,400
the background noise we have a wiener

2882
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:42,320
hound that's excited he's the squeaky

2883
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:45,119
toys uh she's chasing around the house

2884
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:47,040
um so bankston

2885
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:50,320
bankston is um

2886
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:51,520
he he

2887
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:52,639
um

2888
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:55,280
healed entire populations of laboratory

2889
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:56,239
mice

2890
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:57,760
uh seven

2891
01:42:02,550 --> 01:42:00,719
triple blind studies if i'm not mistaken

2892
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:02,560
uh and the banana right there's another

2893
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:04,159
thing you guys can look this up on

2894
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:05,920
youtube william bankston or bill

2895
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:08,320
bankston um he has a presentation where

2896
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:10,400
he talks about

2897
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,080
using uh

2898
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:14,560
changing the outcome of

2899
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:21,990
rotting right this banana i think grants

2900
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:24,080
how old is yours now grant is just

2901
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:26,560
probably about six years old six years

2902
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,360
i'm at three i think so yeah you know

2903
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,520
and and i always i laugh when i see

2904
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:33,040
myself on camera holding this up because

2905
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,119
i look like a crazy person

2906
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:37,600
but but that's the fun of it right uh

2907
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,800
this is it's not not uh rotting this is

2908
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:42,960
petrified and i don't know if you guys

2909
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,800
can hear that but again this crazy crazy

2910
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:46,800
guy hitting a banana on the table

2911
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,159
um but if you do this it's really simple

2912
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:52,320
experiment you can go and you hold one

2913
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,280
banana with no intentions another banana

2914
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:57,840
with uh the intention that you holding

2915
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,400
it will not change the outcome of

2916
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:02,719
the the degradation of the banana and

2917
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:04,239
then you have a control banana that you

2918
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:06,719
don't touch and what you find is the

2919
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,560
banana that you hold

2920
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:11,280
uh with um

2921
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,040
no intention

2922
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:15,440
petrifies itself it's it's really

2923
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:17,119
curious um

2924
01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:19,199
so so this is in line with his

2925
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:21,440
discussion about using rapid image

2926
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:23,280
cycling in the lab he would go out he

2927
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:25,600
would get undergraduate students

2928
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:27,840
very skeptical undergraduate students

2929
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,400
that didn't think that by holding a cage

2930
01:43:34,310 --> 01:43:32,639
of mice they could influence the outcome

2931
01:43:36,149 --> 01:43:34,320
of the cancer one way or the other and

2932
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,159
this is all done by the book the same

2933
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:38,800
way that med students and and cancer

2934
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:40,560
labs across the country and across the

2935
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:43,440
world um test the effectiveness of

2936
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,960
medications on

2937
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:46,159
um

2938
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:47,040
uh

2939
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:49,280
you know fatal cancer right most people

2940
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:50,960
and for most multiple studies just so

2941
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,880
people know they inject these mice with

2942
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:54,639
mammary cancer

2943
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:57,440
then

2944
01:44:01,910 --> 01:44:00,080
these mice will not live past 27 days

2945
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:01,920
there's been like a few thousand

2946
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:04,159
experiments in the past mainstream

2947
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,360
experiments where they're just giving

2948
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:07,280
them drugs other ways trying to heal the

2949
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:09,679
mice they will die within 27 days if you

2950
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:12,000
just leave them alone bankston

2951
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,600
benson adds one

2952
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:15,360
different variable and it's the healing

2953
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:17,119
technique and they live their full

2954
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,400
lifespan most of them two years yeah

2955
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:22,560
yeah it completely cure everything

2956
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:25,520
including the progeny of those that were

2957
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:27,199
initially injected and he can't

2958
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:28,960
re-inject the populace that was

2959
01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:32,239
initially injected nor can he inject the

2960
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:34,639
progeny it has no effect whatsoever so

2961
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:37,440
it's very effective and again if my

2962
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:39,679
memory serves me correctly it was seven

2963
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:42,480
triple blind studies and every single

2964
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:45,040
one of those 100 of the population was

2965
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:47,840
completely cured of terminal cancer and

2966
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:50,560
their progeny had cancer terminal cancer

2967
01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:52,639
had no effect when injected into the

2968
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,600
progeny so it's really compelling um

2969
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:58,080
research now i would also a couple of

2970
01:45:03,350 --> 01:45:00,480
things i want to mention before

2971
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:03,360
you guys kind of kind of call it a

2972
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,679
call it a show um

2973
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:07,760
i would recommend anyone that hasn't

2974
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:09,920
read and i'm not paid by sean webb but

2975
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:11,119
if you haven't read mind hacking

2976
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,800
happiness definitely check out volume

2977
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:14,800
two he talks about having his own

2978
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:16,880
experience and he pulls in a lot of the

2979
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:18,960
stuff we're talking about bankston's

2980
01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:21,280
work um you know the other some of the

2981
01:45:26,229 --> 01:45:24,080
other physiological and neuroscientific

2982
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:26,239
work that's out there

2983
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:28,880
and a lot of the historical

2984
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:31,600
esoteric stuff

2985
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:32,960
there's a really interesting youtube

2986
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:35,520
channel that's museum of tarot again i'm

2987
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:37,600
not affiliated but

2988
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:38,639
and and

2989
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:40,639
give the name it's just a name just go

2990
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,880
check it out very informed he talks

2991
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:44,480
about these processes i see in the

2992
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:46,639
comments people are talking about

2993
01:45:50,310 --> 01:45:49,040
egyptian and rebirth and ego death and

2994
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:50,320
all these things that we haven't really

2995
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:51,440
touched on

2996
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:52,239
um

2997
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:53,840
all of these things

2998
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:55,760
to someone

2999
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:57,119
looking through

3000
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:59,199
from the outside

3001
01:46:01,830 --> 01:46:00,639
that hasn't really spent the time

3002
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:01,840
because they think a lot of this is

3003
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:04,719
nonsense please give it give it a chance

3004
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:06,320
because the things that we're talking

3005
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:08,639
about the things that we're intrigued by

3006
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:11,040
even the uap

3007
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:13,600
especially the uap these are not new

3008
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:15,760
things these things have happened for

3009
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:17,760
thousands of years they're all

3010
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:21,040
throughout recorded history um and um

3011
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:24,000
you know the language is a barrier to

3012
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:26,800
finding these when you get a few hundred

3013
01:46:30,390 --> 01:46:28,880
years back or for that matter even 200

3014
01:46:31,990 --> 01:46:30,400
years back it becomes quite challenging

3015
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:32,000
but it can be done and there are people

3016
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:33,679
there are people that have done it

3017
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:35,760
that have done that so

3018
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,400
i would mention that as well but yeah

3019
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:40,719
benson's work is really compelling

3020
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:41,920
um

3021
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:43,520
that's the reason i'm not on strange

3022
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:45,760
recon anymore is because

3023
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:48,159
jeff was contacted by a caller that had

3024
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:49,199
a

3025
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,159
child

3026
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:52,960
die from cancer and

3027
01:46:56,709 --> 01:46:54,480
she was offended that i mentioned it on

3028
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:56,719
the show and i mentioned it the same way

3029
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:58,080
i mentioned it here

3030
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,880
uh you know i didn't say go

3031
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:02,880
do rapid image cycling to cure cancer

3032
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:05,040
and i wouldn't tell anybody that um but

3033
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,000
um

3034
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:08,480
but you can't argue with seven triple

3035
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:10,239
blind studies that cure the entire

3036
01:47:15,189 --> 01:47:12,880
population you can't that's better than

3037
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:15,199
the placebo effect and the placebo

3038
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:19,920
effect is so outstandingly

3039
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:21,119
effective

3040
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:23,440
that it's been removed from testing

3041
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:25,280
protocol because it's not as effective

3042
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:27,440
as the drugs they're testing it against

3043
01:47:31,030 --> 01:47:29,119
which i don't know the other

3044
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:31,040
bankston talks about the placebo effect

3045
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:33,040
he does not think it's psychological he

3046
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:34,639
thinks it's some sort of resonant

3047
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:36,960
bonding between the control group and

3048
01:47:40,790 --> 01:47:38,480
the group that's getting the actual

3049
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:40,800
drugs he says it's the dirtiest secret

3050
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:43,199
in those drug studies he says when you

3051
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:44,080
increase

3052
01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:45,840
the amount of drugs the

3053
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:48,159
the actual group that's getting the drug

3054
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:50,400
if they double the dosage

3055
01:47:54,870 --> 01:47:52,000
the control group that's getting the

3056
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:54,880
placebo their effect doubles

3057
01:47:58,629 --> 01:47:56,719
that shouldn't happen that's that's

3058
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:58,639
really that's really intriguing yeah no

3059
01:48:02,229 --> 01:48:00,960
i haven't seen that yeah i haven't seen

3060
01:48:04,149 --> 01:48:02,239
it i've heard him talk about it um

3061
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:04,159
people need to i linked to one of his my

3062
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:06,000
favorite interviews with him in the in

3063
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:07,520
the comments not in the comments and the

3064
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:10,239
notes and then he said that

3065
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:11,440
um

3066
01:48:14,629 --> 01:48:12,960
he's also working with dean rating

3067
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:14,639
they're trying to record it so they can

3068
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:16,639
if they can successfully successfully

3069
01:48:21,669 --> 01:48:20,080
record it and it helps heal

3070
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:21,679
whatever you know they can play it back

3071
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:23,440
they can release it free on the cloud

3072
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:25,760
that's his goal so far a little success

3073
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:27,760
not not not even close to being full

3074
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:29,520
success um

3075
01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:30,800
it's interesting there's a controlled

3076
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:33,119
group of mice in another part of the

3077
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:35,440
university he says more times than not

3078
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:37,199
the students will discover those mice

3079
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:38,560
they'll look in

3080
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:40,159
just look at the mice

3081
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:42,000
they get healed it seems it seems like

3082
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:43,840
there's some sort of connection

3083
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:45,600
can't explain it he's not somebody that

3084
01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:47,040
says this is energy healing he goes i

3085
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:48,320
don't know what's causing it maybe

3086
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:50,400
information is being somehow it's

3087
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:52,080
connected to information but they're

3088
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,000
getting healed you know we don't have to

3089
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:56,400
know the process of how it works to be

3090
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:57,920
interested in it that's just like people

3091
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:58,800
you know

3092
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:01,679
it's the same thing we don't know how it

3093
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:03,840
works but it works people have

3094
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:06,400
information via sixth sense and michael

3095
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:07,920
any thoughts i know you're not really

3096
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:09,840
too familiar with bankston but you will

3097
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,270
i'm a willing participant here i i

3098
01:49:19,510 --> 01:49:17,760
i have an open mind to all this i i

3099
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,520
think that there is

3100
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:21,360
something there in the information in

3101
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:22,880
the data

3102
01:49:26,830 --> 01:49:25,199
my background is more hardware software

3103
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:26,840
related

3104
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:28,400
empirical

3105
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:30,159
and touchy feel you know things you can

3106
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:32,000
touch things you can command and control

3107
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:32,719
and

3108
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:34,560
use to get

3109
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,119
insights from data so

3110
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:39,760
um i'm open to learning more about all

3111
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:40,840
of this

3112
01:49:45,189 --> 01:49:42,960
absolutely yeah

3113
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:45,199
um all about data with him people should

3114
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,719
check him out he's a sociologist and

3115
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:48,480
also a statistician

3116
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:50,239
and i will have it hopefully he's still

3117
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:51,760
doing interviews he hasn't done one in a

3118
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:54,000
while uh he was the head i think the

3119
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:56,000
president of the ssc society for

3120
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,719
scientific exploration i spoke to two

3121
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:00,960
big names in the ufo field very big

3122
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:02,080
names i'm like what do you think of

3123
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:04,080
bankston they're like

3124
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:05,920
it's really important work that's

3125
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:07,840
fascinating it needs to be replicated

3126
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:09,840
and we need to get to the bottom of that

3127
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:11,760
and then john alexander has a chapter in

3128
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,679
his latest book i forget the name of it

3129
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:15,440
something realities where he goes into

3130
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:18,159
all these alternative ideas um he talks

3131
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:20,080
about bankston too so

3132
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:22,239
yeah it's it's something people need to

3133
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:24,800
check out anything ties into the whole

3134
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:28,000
idea of healing is not you can do it

3135
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:29,280
like with banksteen you can be anywhere

3136
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,560
in the world you don't have to be there

3137
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:35,040
and you get that in ufo experiences that

3138
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:37,199
half of them when they come back claim

3139
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:38,560
they can heal

3140
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,639
and you get the parallels without about

3141
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:42,159
with near-death experienced people that

3142
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,880
there's i think their figure is 70 claim

3143
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:47,360
they they can heal other people when

3144
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:48,480
after they've had the experience and

3145
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:50,159
i've been around chris bletzel i was

3146
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:53,280
there when he healed a woman in in maine

3147
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:55,920
and i saw a photograph of barack obama

3148
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,320
and a kid which i assume he healed that

3149
01:51:02,550 --> 01:51:00,719
kid i mean he's he's got healings all

3150
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:02,560
the time and that's what you see you see

3151
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:04,639
this connection to the ufo field and the

3152
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:06,960
crossovers without about experiences and

3153
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:09,360
psychedelics and near-death experiences

3154
01:51:13,109 --> 01:51:10,639
and you start to look and you start to

3155
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:13,119
say this l may be the same thing it's

3156
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:15,280
it's because you get these parallels

3157
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:17,280
like in for example in out-of-body

3158
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:19,280
experience you get the idea that people

3159
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:21,760
can see in 360 degrees and then you get

3160
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:23,760
people ufo experience and they're inside

3161
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:25,679
the ship and they say as soon as soon as

3162
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:28,000
i put my hand on the panel i can see 360

3163
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:29,760
degrees and i say can you explain that

3164
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:30,960
because i've never heard of that before

3165
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:33,040
in my life until somebody mentioned it

3166
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:34,639
and you see it in out-of-body experience

3167
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:36,560
and you see it in ufo experiences and

3168
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:38,159
you start to wonder is this the same

3169
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,510
yeah we haven't even touched on

3170
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:43,440
hallucinogens i know you've written

3171
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:45,119
about it you've spoken about it i mean i

3172
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:47,119
have an interest in all that i've never

3173
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:48,560
done it but

3174
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,480
the parallels between the near-death

3175
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:52,320
experience events

3176
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:59,109
that that's why this is a mistake it's a

3177
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,520
mistake to separate one from the other

3178
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:03,840
um you know it it really is because

3179
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:05,840
there are too many parallels there there

3180
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:08,800
are two too many similarities uh the 360

3181
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,199
the the near-death experience having a

3182
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:13,440
um a life review experience i've had

3183
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:14,880
that twice

3184
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,880
i've seen i've and and um

3185
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:20,400
anything that i could possibly say even

3186
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:22,400
if i was very well spoken which i don't

3187
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:24,639
believe i am but if i was

3188
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:27,119
i still wouldn't be able to explain that

3189
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:28,960
in a way that did it any

3190
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:30,400
justice whatsoever

3191
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:32,719
um the same thing's true for the alien

3192
01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:35,920
abduction event you know um

3193
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,840
i could i couldn't begin to really

3194
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:39,760
explain that i i can tell you i was on a

3195
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:42,880
table and i saw some entities and that's

3196
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:46,000
carly guys uh carly say hello

3197
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:47,440
um

3198
01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:50,320
the pups that have their their

3199
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,360
goals anyway yeah that really intriguing

3200
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,760
yeah michael we're gonna grant nye if we

3201
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:57,280
have any say we're gonna have you you're

3202
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:58,400
going to have one of these in a couple

3203
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:00,239
of years you're going to be

3204
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:03,119
maybe hitting it on the table uh

3205
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:04,960
yeah so you know

3206
01:53:10,149 --> 01:53:07,599
bankston did do he did healing

3207
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:10,159
with humans but he's like it's anecdotal

3208
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:11,760
he goes first of all it's anecdotal

3209
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:12,960
second of all

3210
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,800
you cannot prove that my healing

3211
01:53:18,149 --> 01:53:16,639
technique healed these people they could

3212
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:18,159
have changed their diet they could have

3213
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:20,480
had some sort of you know some change in

3214
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:22,239
their life where their immune system was

3215
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:23,840
was boosted so he goes that's why i

3216
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:25,599
stick with mice the mice are going to

3217
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,560
die in 27 days if they don't something

3218
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:30,719
anomalous is going on it's really simple

3219
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:32,800
you're you're just you're just

3220
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:35,760
adding one different variable and it's

3221
01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:38,320
the healing the mice gravitate towards

3222
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:40,000
the left hand people are like grant's

3223
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,760
losing his mind there's heat coming out

3224
01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:43,760
of his left hand the mice gravitate

3225
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:46,080
towards towards the left hand no idea

3226
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:48,159
why if you ask bankston he's like i

3227
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:49,920
don't know i don't know why if the

3228
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:52,080
students are looking they might get

3229
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:54,719
healed you know it's like it's really i

3230
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:56,239
love him because he's like i don't know

3231
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:57,920
if you if you think there's a problem

3232
01:54:02,229 --> 01:53:59,840
with my experiments if you think there's

3233
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:02,239
a flaw in my methodology tell me i'll

3234
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,159
fix it i mean he speaks in front of

3235
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:07,119
medical students he's not he's for me

3236
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:09,760
he's one of the most important people

3237
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:11,520
that i've come across in a really long

3238
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:13,199
time grant what we're gonna say

3239
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:16,320
yeah and and the uh and i'm losing my

3240
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,350
i'll

3241
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,709
yeah and like chase said when when the

3242
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:26,880
mice gets cancer they can re and they

3243
01:54:30,149 --> 01:54:28,080
they heal them

3244
01:54:32,629 --> 01:54:30,159
this mice you can inject the mice with

3245
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:32,639
cancer again it will not get it you can

3246
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,880
take the cells from that mice

3247
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:36,800
from that mouse inject it into another

3248
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:39,360
mouse try to give that mouse cancer they

3249
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:41,360
will not get that cancer so it's it's

3250
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:43,119
really amazing i mean and he's works

3251
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:45,440
like like i said he works at dean rayden

3252
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:46,320
um

3253
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:48,639
it's it's the most promising work and he

3254
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:50,000
has to go to china i think because in

3255
01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:51,520
the united states it's difficult with

3256
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:52,880
animal testing

3257
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:55,360
they're really restrictive um

3258
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,679
he does get a little bit into the woo

3259
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:59,119
like you said

3260
01:55:03,189 --> 01:55:01,119
benjamin maywreck taught him how to he

3261
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:03,199
showed him how he how he busted clouds

3262
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:05,199
and most people are like busting clouds

3263
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:06,080
i'm like

3264
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:08,560
i've never seen that i'm open to it

3265
01:55:11,910 --> 01:55:10,480
it's more consciousness related i don't

3266
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:11,920
know how you you know it's a little

3267
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:13,920
different than curing mice in a lab

3268
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:15,840
under controlled conditions

3269
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:17,679
but his book i will link to his book in

3270
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:19,440
the in the notes his book he reads it

3271
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:21,360
himself he doesn't like read it word for

3272
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:23,119
word he just tells a story it's really

3273
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:25,119
good and there's lots of interviews on

3274
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:26,639
youtube if you start watching people i

3275
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:28,320
think you'll get you'll get addicted to

3276
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,000
him because he's really for me the

3277
01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:32,320
perfect kind of skeptic he's like you

3278
01:55:36,870 --> 01:55:34,320
know the skeptics we hear that just

3279
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:36,880
attack everything ufo you follow

3280
01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:38,400
ufo wise

3281
01:55:42,149 --> 01:55:40,080
no he's more and he's open to all that

3282
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:42,159
stuff remote viewing um

3283
01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:43,920
now i'm rambling somebody interrupts

3284
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:46,080
okay let me let me bring i remember what

3285
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:47,920
i was going to say the top healer uh

3286
01:55:52,470 --> 01:55:50,639
that in chicago that brings bankston in

3287
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:52,480
once a year i asked

3288
01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:54,639
that she did she actually did a letter

3289
01:55:59,109 --> 01:55:57,520
what's that bernadette yeah yeah

3290
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:59,119
actually she actually did a

3291
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,159
lecture and she the idea was what what

3292
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:05,040
are the best clients you can get for

3293
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:07,520
banksy healing and she said animals and

3294
01:56:11,830 --> 01:56:09,520
people with alzheimer's what is the

3295
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:11,840
connection the connection is there's no

3296
01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:14,480
left brain ego in either it there's no

3297
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:16,719
the self is gone and she said those are

3298
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:18,960
the easiest people to heal and then when

3299
01:56:23,030 --> 01:56:20,800
it comes to the cloud thing

3300
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:23,040
uh i either john alexander said or i

3301
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:25,040
heard some someone said john alexander

3302
01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:27,360
can do that i was at mount shasta with a

3303
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:30,400
guy he's in my contact modality book

3304
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:32,639
he's the guy that was in the float tank

3305
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:34,159
he got all these messages in the float

3306
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:35,840
tank and then he had this experience

3307
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:37,280
with his father when his father died

3308
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:38,960
this very direct experience where his

3309
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:40,800
father's taking him through the house to

3310
01:56:44,550 --> 01:56:42,639
find this one thing for his daughter but

3311
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:44,560
i won't get into it but we're at mount

3312
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:47,040
shasta and then he says to me says hey

3313
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:48,960
he says see those clouds up there

3314
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:50,800
there's like clouds there's four clouds

3315
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:52,719
like in a square it says see those

3316
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:54,400
clouds there i said yeah said watch the

3317
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:56,800
bottom left cloud and watched it and it

3318
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:58,639
disappeared and i just looked at him at

3319
01:57:01,270 --> 01:56:59,360
it

3320
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:01,280
you did that he goes

3321
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:03,199
yeah he never told anybody and then i

3322
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,719
made it public he was really upset that

3323
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:06,239
i made it public that he that he was

3324
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:08,080
able to do this but i couldn't believe

3325
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:09,520
it when the guy did it and it happened

3326
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:10,880
in

3327
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:13,440
six or seven seconds this bottom cloud

3328
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:15,440
of these four clouds just disappeared

3329
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:16,880
and i remember hearing about this and i

3330
01:57:20,950 --> 01:57:19,360
went wow this actually is is something

3331
01:57:23,030 --> 01:57:20,960
that people can do i don't know what the

3332
01:57:24,310 --> 01:57:23,040
the benefit of it is but it's pretty

3333
01:57:25,830 --> 01:57:24,320
bizarre when you actually someone

3334
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:25,840
actually does it for you and you're

3335
01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:27,360
standing there then it's it's

3336
01:57:30,390 --> 01:57:28,800
unmistakable

3337
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:30,400
the benefit would be if you're at an

3338
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:32,159
outside event and it's about to rain and

3339
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:34,080
you can make the clouds go away and i'm

3340
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:35,199
sure michael you're probably like

3341
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:37,040
thinking cloud busting but yeah i've

3342
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:38,719
heard when i read this in bankston's

3343
01:57:41,430 --> 01:57:39,840
book i'm like it's an interesting

3344
01:57:43,109 --> 01:57:41,440
anecdote this psychic was supposedly

3345
01:57:44,550 --> 01:57:43,119
able to do it i have a friend of mine

3346
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:44,560
saying the other day a friend of mine

3347
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:46,080
says you're not really going to believe

3348
01:57:49,430 --> 01:57:48,080
this but i'll tell you um

3349
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:49,440
i think there's something to cloud

3350
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:51,199
busting i'm like no i've heard it from

3351
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:52,639
other people i mean i need to see it of

3352
01:57:55,510 --> 01:57:54,000
course i've never seen it so i don't

3353
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,520
know um

3354
01:58:00,470 --> 01:57:58,080
we lost chase uh hopefully he'll come

3355
01:58:01,990 --> 01:58:00,480
back if not uh you guys have any closing

3356
01:58:03,669 --> 01:58:02,000
thoughts on anything we spoke about well

3357
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:03,679
let me bring one more bankston thing up

3358
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:05,360
about

3359
01:58:10,229 --> 01:58:07,440
was extremely

3360
01:58:11,910 --> 01:58:10,239
a strange sort of guy but he was very

3361
01:58:13,830 --> 01:58:11,920
effective in the test that banks didn't

3362
01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:13,840
give him if you remember they'd gone to

3363
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:16,000
the hospital and they'd given these cue

3364
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:18,639
these cards to an envelope to the woman

3365
01:58:22,709 --> 01:58:20,960
at the at the the deck that's where they

3366
01:58:24,709 --> 01:58:22,719
check in so people would come in all

3367
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:24,719
they would do is sign their name on a

3368
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:26,159
card put it in the envelope and all

3369
01:58:30,629 --> 01:58:28,560
these envelopes were in this in this box

3370
01:58:32,709 --> 01:58:30,639
and after they had i don't know 20 or 30

3371
01:58:34,870 --> 01:58:32,719
or whatever it was uh

3372
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:34,880
bennett merrick came in and

3373
01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:37,040
banks would hold off the card you say

3374
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:39,520
kidney disease he put it down 100

3375
01:58:43,990 --> 01:58:41,920
accurate except for one and they he got

3376
01:58:45,510 --> 01:58:44,000
one wrong and they found out later that

3377
01:58:47,669 --> 01:58:45,520
he was actually right the doctors were

3378
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:47,679
wrong they just misdiagnosed the guy and

3379
01:58:51,510 --> 01:58:49,520
that was one of the tests that bankston

3380
01:58:54,709 --> 01:58:51,520
had given him when he first got because

3381
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:54,719
this guy had incredible powers to to do

3382
01:58:58,629 --> 01:58:56,400
all this bizarre stuff and he taught it

3383
01:58:59,990 --> 01:58:58,639
to banks and one more my last thought is

3384
01:59:01,510 --> 01:59:00,000
always this thing about when it comes to

3385
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:01,520
consciousness

3386
01:59:06,950 --> 01:59:04,320
the basic thing in the woo world is

3387
01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:06,960
remember who you actually are

3388
01:59:11,189 --> 01:59:09,599
you are not the actor on the stage

3389
01:59:13,030 --> 01:59:11,199
because you played king henry the eighth

3390
01:59:14,950 --> 01:59:13,040
in high school doesn't mean you're king

3391
01:59:17,589 --> 01:59:14,960
henry viii for the rest of your life we

3392
01:59:19,990 --> 01:59:17,599
came here to play a role we are an actor

3393
01:59:21,830 --> 01:59:20,000
on a stage we are playing an actor on a

3394
01:59:23,830 --> 01:59:21,840
stage we are not the actor on the stage

3395
01:59:26,149 --> 01:59:23,840
that's a big difference so they are they

3396
01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:26,159
are playing aliens and we are playing

3397
01:59:29,270 --> 01:59:27,679
humans and that's what we've got to

3398
01:59:31,990 --> 01:59:29,280
remember is that

3399
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:32,000
in in the end we are these etheric

3400
01:59:35,430 --> 01:59:34,320
beings that can play whatever role and i

3401
01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:35,440
have the i don't know if you've ever

3402
01:59:41,189 --> 01:59:39,040
interviewed him uh uh you you see ronan

3403
01:59:44,149 --> 01:59:41,199
who wrote the book one he's an israeli

3404
01:59:44,870 --> 01:59:44,159
experiencer and he was told i have it as

3405
01:59:56,629 --> 01:59:44,880
the

3406
01:59:57,990 --> 01:59:56,639
and round and ran faster faster faster

3407
02:00:00,229 --> 01:59:58,000
back and he said suddenly they turned

3408
02:00:01,750 --> 02:00:00,239
translucent then they turned into light

3409
02:00:03,669 --> 02:00:01,760
the light went into this little tiny

3410
02:00:05,990 --> 02:00:03,679
ball the ball disappeared that's how

3411
02:00:07,910 --> 02:00:06,000
they left and the beings had told him

3412
02:00:10,550 --> 02:00:07,920
when we come to your world

3413
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:10,560
we take on a form we have to take a form

3414
02:00:15,350 --> 02:00:12,480
to come into your world but we do not

3415
02:00:17,910 --> 02:00:15,360
have any form we have to do it you can

3416
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:17,920
do the same thing you just don't know it

3417
02:00:21,589 --> 02:00:19,280
and so that's the idea that you have to

3418
02:00:23,270 --> 02:00:21,599
remember is we are all this etheric

3419
02:00:25,030 --> 02:00:23,280
being and we are playing these roles

3420
02:00:27,430 --> 02:00:25,040
we'll come back we may come back if you

3421
02:00:29,830 --> 02:00:27,440
say greys are evil aliens you may come

3422
02:00:31,430 --> 02:00:29,840
back in your next life as a gray

3423
02:00:32,709 --> 02:00:31,440
just to learn that experience it's the

3424
02:00:34,229 --> 02:00:32,719
idea that we're playing these different

3425
02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:34,239
roles and we're supposed to learn in

3426
02:00:38,229 --> 02:00:36,080
these roles we are not this physical

3427
02:00:40,149 --> 02:00:38,239
thing we get caught into the illusion of

3428
02:00:42,950 --> 02:00:40,159
believing we are whoever we are and

3429
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:42,960
that's all we are we have to realize the

3430
02:00:48,310 --> 02:00:45,360
the key thing in the woo world is

3431
02:00:50,229 --> 02:00:48,320
remember who you actually are

3432
02:00:52,070 --> 02:00:50,239
and i'm going to let you go now thank

3433
02:00:54,229 --> 02:00:52,080
you for closing with that brent and and

3434
02:00:56,470 --> 02:00:54,239
i will just add i've i've told people

3435
02:00:58,790 --> 02:00:56,480
this ufos to me

3436
02:01:01,030 --> 02:00:58,800
are a path to other things like our

3437
02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:01,040
abilities and i think it's all about

3438
02:01:05,910 --> 02:01:02,400
human

3439
02:01:08,070 --> 02:01:05,920
that we have basically we're so much

3440
02:01:10,229 --> 02:01:08,080
more we're so much more capable than we

3441
02:01:12,390 --> 02:01:10,239
realize and i think that's where we're

3442
02:01:15,750 --> 02:01:12,400
heading in the future not just ufos i

3443
02:01:17,910 --> 02:01:15,760
love ufos but i love human

3444
02:01:19,750 --> 02:01:17,920
what's the word not human capabilities

3445
02:01:21,109 --> 02:01:19,760
but just we're just

3446
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:21,119
i'm sorry i'm drawing a blank but i

3447
02:01:24,149 --> 02:01:22,560
think we're more capable than we've been

3448
02:01:25,510 --> 02:01:24,159
taught basically yeah and the other

3449
02:01:26,550 --> 02:01:25,520
thing i would add is that you got to

3450
02:01:29,030 --> 02:01:26,560
remember

3451
02:01:32,149 --> 02:01:29,040
that if you if reincarnation is a fact

3452
02:01:34,070 --> 02:01:32,159
then you and i and michael and chase all

3453
02:01:36,870 --> 02:01:34,080
came into the world and we probably

3454
02:01:38,550 --> 02:01:36,880
decided we wanted to do something so you

3455
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:38,560
may have decided you're coming in

3456
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:40,080
because this the world's going to shift

3457
02:01:43,589 --> 02:01:41,760
at this time with the ufo thing and that

3458
02:01:45,910 --> 02:01:43,599
what we're doing is what we were

3459
02:01:47,830 --> 02:01:45,920
intended to do so the idea is you came

3460
02:01:49,510 --> 02:01:47,840
into the world to do something the idea

3461
02:01:50,629 --> 02:01:49,520
is to figure out what did i come here to

3462
02:01:55,270 --> 02:01:50,639
do

3463
02:01:57,109 --> 02:01:55,280
when you leave the world all they're

3464
02:01:59,109 --> 02:01:57,119
going to ask you is one question and

3465
02:02:00,950 --> 02:01:59,119
that was the newton thing from 7 000

3466
02:02:02,629 --> 02:02:00,960
experiencers who talked about life

3467
02:02:05,589 --> 02:02:02,639
between life they only ask you one

3468
02:02:07,990 --> 02:02:05,599
question they say joe how did it work

3469
02:02:09,589 --> 02:02:08,000
out because you planned it i planned it

3470
02:02:11,510 --> 02:02:09,599
so we plan to come into the world to do

3471
02:02:13,109 --> 02:02:11,520
something all we got to do is figure out

3472
02:02:15,189 --> 02:02:13,119
what are we here to do

3473
02:02:16,629 --> 02:02:15,199
and are we doing it and i think that's

3474
02:02:18,550 --> 02:02:16,639
important that you and i have come in at

3475
02:02:20,950 --> 02:02:18,560
this time in this place that the world

3476
02:02:22,950 --> 02:02:20,960
is about to shift and this reality is

3477
02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:22,960
about to be made and we came in to help

3478
02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:25,679
shift the reality of what ufos are and

3479
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:27,679
bring this to the world

3480
02:02:31,510 --> 02:02:29,520
thank you grant and um thank you for

3481
02:02:33,109 --> 02:02:31,520
doing thank you for doing this so i

3482
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:33,119
appreciate it in the future we'll

3483
02:02:35,589 --> 02:02:34,320
definitely do something together just

3484
02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:35,599
let me know okay

3485
02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:36,880
talk to you later

3486
02:02:43,750 --> 02:02:42,229
just me and you left the final two you

3487
02:02:46,310 --> 02:02:43,760
know people don't realize the reason we

3488
02:02:48,310 --> 02:02:46,320
met was because of wilson davis michael

3489
02:02:50,229 --> 02:02:48,320
was on reddit speaking about wilson

3490
02:02:50,950 --> 02:02:50,239
davis i wrote him privately and that was

3491
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:50,960
it

3492
02:02:56,709 --> 02:02:52,639
we actually got to meet were you here

3493
02:03:02,629 --> 02:03:01,030
two years ago two years ago so yeah um

3494
02:03:04,149 --> 02:03:02,639
a lot of what grant is talking about i

3495
02:03:05,830 --> 02:03:04,159
encountered when i first got into this i

3496
02:03:07,830 --> 02:03:05,840
was into metaphysics i went to a

3497
02:03:10,550 --> 02:03:07,840
metaphysical church i mean i read all

3498
02:03:12,470 --> 02:03:10,560
the channeled books i went to a lot of

3499
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:12,480
a lot of this stuff and then i came back

3500
02:03:16,629 --> 02:03:14,800
more towards

3501
02:03:18,149 --> 02:03:16,639
i wouldn't say mainstream more more nuts

3502
02:03:19,669 --> 02:03:18,159
and bolts and then i'm kind of in the

3503
02:03:21,830 --> 02:03:19,679
middle right now i'm really interested

3504
02:03:23,350 --> 02:03:21,840
in everything else maybe not as

3505
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:23,360
much as what grant is talking about

3506
02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:24,320
there but

3507
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:26,880
yeah i'm interested in all that um one

3508
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:29,440
of the books i was just

3509
02:03:33,510 --> 02:03:31,360
found out about

3510
02:03:35,030 --> 02:03:33,520
um this is a this is something i think

3511
02:03:36,629 --> 02:03:35,040
everybody's gonna like talking about

3512
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:36,639
what we might be dealing with like the

3513
02:03:40,790 --> 02:03:38,400
main intelligence here talking about

3514
02:03:42,790 --> 02:03:40,800
it's it's native not necessarily native

3515
02:03:44,950 --> 02:03:42,800
to earth but something we that's always

3516
02:03:46,310 --> 02:03:44,960
been around even since before our

3517
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:46,320
existence

3518
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:48,000
really really interesting and they've

3519
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:49,920
both done interviews on

3520
02:03:53,510 --> 02:03:51,599
youtube you could check out i'll try to

3521
02:03:55,189 --> 02:03:53,520
find that link mysterious universe did

3522
02:03:57,750 --> 02:03:55,199
an interview with greg little and it's

3523
02:04:00,069 --> 02:03:57,760
really good andrew collins strieber just

3524
02:04:02,470 --> 02:04:00,079
interviewed him great stuff definitely

3525
02:04:04,149 --> 02:04:02,480
more on the consciousness side um also

3526
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:04,159
deals with plasma

3527
02:04:07,350 --> 02:04:05,440
um

3528
02:04:09,270 --> 02:04:07,360
energy it's just really good i think you

3529
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:09,280
would like it too michael any thoughts

3530
02:04:12,550 --> 02:04:11,040
before i let you go because two hours

3531
02:04:15,189 --> 02:04:12,560
has been more than enough

3532
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:15,199
well actually um their thoughts for

3533
02:04:18,870 --> 02:04:16,800
maybe a future

3534
02:04:20,310 --> 02:04:18,880
show or future opportunity to talk with

3535
02:04:21,669 --> 02:04:20,320
chase and grant

3536
02:04:23,030 --> 02:04:21,679
um

3537
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:23,040
and i didn't bring it up because you

3538
02:04:25,510 --> 02:04:24,480
guys were

3539
02:04:27,830 --> 02:04:25,520
obviously

3540
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:27,840
down a path of significant interest to

3541
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:29,280
people and it was i found it really

3542
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:30,320
interesting so i didn't want to

3543
02:04:33,830 --> 02:04:32,480
interrupt but i wanted to ask chase

3544
02:04:35,030 --> 02:04:33,840
maybe next time if we could do this

3545
02:04:36,830 --> 02:04:35,040
again

3546
02:04:39,589 --> 02:04:36,840
is i wanted

3547
02:04:42,149 --> 02:04:39,599
to compare

3548
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:42,159
the explanation for how the triangle

3549
02:04:46,870 --> 02:04:44,400
operates that he was given by the three

3550
02:04:49,189 --> 02:04:46,880
star he mentioned

3551
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:49,199
compare that to my conversation in

3552
02:04:52,790 --> 02:04:51,280
private with lou

3553
02:04:54,069 --> 02:04:52,800
oh we didn't elizondo to that yes we did

3554
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:54,079
not get to that with chase and his

3555
02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:56,719
experience at ttsa also

3556
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:59,280
yeah and i would i'm gonna bet right now

3557
02:05:02,709 --> 02:05:00,400
that they are

3558
02:05:05,030 --> 02:05:02,719
remarkably similar if not the same the

3559
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:05,040
other one i had was for grant when he

3560
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:06,880
was talking about eric davis and eric

3561
02:05:12,310 --> 02:05:09,119
davis disputing

3562
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:12,320
bob lazar claims and and

3563
02:05:16,149 --> 02:05:14,320
bob lazar

3564
02:05:19,189 --> 02:05:16,159
in general

3565
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:21,510
area 51 in the first place

3566
02:05:25,030 --> 02:05:23,840
and i wanted to know from grant you know

3567
02:05:27,270 --> 02:05:25,040
what was

3568
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:27,280
correlating the timelines for when

3569
02:05:30,629 --> 02:05:29,119
eric said that

3570
02:05:32,870 --> 02:05:30,639
and when bob

3571
02:05:35,430 --> 02:05:32,880
lazar first made his claim

3572
02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:35,440
because it would be

3573
02:05:38,790 --> 02:05:36,800
i think

3574
02:05:40,870 --> 02:05:38,800
sort of standard operating procedure

3575
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:40,880
while bob did not

3576
02:05:45,430 --> 02:05:44,480
res why his coming out did not result

3577
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:45,440
in the

3578
02:05:49,109 --> 02:05:46,960
compromising

3579
02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:49,119
and the disclosure

3580
02:05:55,350 --> 02:05:52,960
publicly of a program of record

3581
02:05:57,350 --> 02:05:55,360
uh a special access program

3582
02:05:59,189 --> 02:05:57,360
it certainly would have

3583
02:06:01,430 --> 02:05:59,199
um

3584
02:06:03,910 --> 02:06:01,440
and and i do i'm in the camp that i i

3585
02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:03,920
believe more than i disbelieve things

3586
02:06:08,629 --> 02:06:05,679
that bob lazar said

3587
02:06:11,669 --> 02:06:08,639
uh how dare you

3588
02:06:13,510 --> 02:06:11,679
hey throw your stones but um i have my

3589
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:13,520
reasons i'm in the middle on lazar i

3590
02:06:19,669 --> 02:06:16,480
take stones from both sides yeah but i

3591
02:06:21,430 --> 02:06:19,679
you know number one if i was the uh

3592
02:06:25,189 --> 02:06:21,440
if i was the uh

3593
02:06:28,069 --> 02:06:25,199
facility security manager um

3594
02:06:30,790 --> 02:06:28,079
wherever this was located at sas4 as he

3595
02:06:32,229 --> 02:06:30,800
claims not at area 51 those are two

3596
02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:32,239
separate sites

3597
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:34,320
but if i was the program manager and i

3598
02:06:37,589 --> 02:06:35,599
was the government

3599
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:37,599
the moment all of that started hitting

3600
02:06:44,709 --> 02:06:43,109
they wouldn't be there much longer

3601
02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:44,719
and i think it's folly you see

3602
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:46,560
occasionally people say well i've i've

3603
02:06:49,189 --> 02:06:47,920
used google earth i've found the

3604
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:49,199
facility that's

3605
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:50,159
that's

3606
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:54,000
they didn't you know number one the

3607
02:06:57,669 --> 02:06:55,440
government controls satellite imagery

3608
02:07:00,069 --> 02:06:57,679
used on google earth and everything else

3609
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:00,079
google earth was a government program at

3610
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:03,199
one time just the technology behind it

3611
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:05,599
so the government is screening and in

3612
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:07,040
control of all of this overhead

3613
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,520
technology that is the imagery

3614
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:11,280
collection that's going on and they're

3615
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:12,400
going to

3616
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:15,119
mask any images of any sensitive sites

3617
02:07:18,229 --> 02:07:16,880
that are that are grabbed during these

3618
02:07:22,069 --> 02:07:18,239
overpasses

3619
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:22,079
but um if if the program was in danger

3620
02:07:26,550 --> 02:07:24,480
of thousands of people

3621
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:26,560
suddenly swamping

3622
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:29,360
uh the the area out there like they did

3623
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:31,520
and potentially compromising the efforts

3624
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:33,679
they would have relocated it

3625
02:07:36,790 --> 02:07:35,360
um

3626
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,800
that that's where the smart money would

3627
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:38,400
be anyway um

3628
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:39,360
you just

3629
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:42,000
given this supposed sensitivity of this

3630
02:07:45,350 --> 02:07:43,040
program

3631
02:07:47,189 --> 02:07:45,360
given all the smoke

3632
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:47,199
indicating that there's it needs

3633
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:49,679
something going on um

3634
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:51,760
they wouldn't have taken a chance of of

3635
02:07:55,350 --> 02:07:52,880
uh

3636
02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:55,360
outing that program

3637
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:58,000
and they would have relocated it so

3638
02:08:01,510 --> 02:08:00,000
i don't doubt that it's

3639
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:01,520
not there anymore

3640
02:08:04,790 --> 02:08:03,360
but i'd like to hear i'd like to hear

3641
02:08:06,550 --> 02:08:04,800
what you know what the timeline

3642
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:06,560
comparisons are for when

3643
02:08:13,030 --> 02:08:09,119
davis said that and because mozart came

3644
02:08:16,709 --> 02:08:15,030
and and davis didn't have it

3645
02:08:20,069 --> 02:08:16,719
and he didn't have his conversation with

3646
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:20,079
wilson supposedly until the early 2000s

3647
02:08:23,430 --> 02:08:21,280
that was the thing that that really

3648
02:08:25,510 --> 02:08:23,440
caught my eye about lazar 89 and then

3649
02:08:27,510 --> 02:08:25,520
the wilson davis documents where

3650
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:27,520
well it's not in the documents but eric

3651
02:08:34,229 --> 02:08:32,079
davis i think has said that the program

3652
02:08:38,069 --> 02:08:34,239
what did he say it was in 1989 i know

3653
02:08:40,229 --> 02:08:38,079
there's a 1989 connection um

3654
02:08:41,830 --> 02:08:40,239
i would love it if lazar was telling the

3655
02:08:44,550 --> 02:08:41,840
truth i don't know if he's telling the

3656
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:44,560
truth i've told eric i'm 50 50. he's

3657
02:08:50,870 --> 02:08:48,159
totally not 50 50. he's 100 that he's a

3658
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:50,880
liar but we'll see i hope i hope eric is

3659
02:08:54,950 --> 02:08:53,199
wrong i mean it's such a cool story you

3660
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:54,960
know at the very least

3661
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:56,960
if we have nine craft

3662
02:09:00,390 --> 02:08:58,560
maybe they're our craft maybe they're

3663
02:09:01,510 --> 02:09:00,400
from an archeological dig maybe they're

3664
02:09:04,229 --> 02:09:01,520
from

3665
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:04,239
gifts i don't know um i want to change

3666
02:09:09,510 --> 02:09:06,239
the subject just real quick

3667
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:09,520
any thoughts on the calvin case

3668
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:10,960
are you aware what about this case in

3669
02:09:16,709 --> 02:09:13,040
the photograph yeah yeah i i've been

3670
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:16,719
following this so i arrived in the uk um

3671
02:09:20,950 --> 02:09:18,239
just a couple of years after i mean this

3672
02:09:23,430 --> 02:09:20,960
was still in the tabloids

3673
02:09:26,229 --> 02:09:23,440
when you go to the local

3674
02:09:28,550 --> 02:09:26,239
spa which is like their 7-eleven or

3675
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:28,560
anywhere you'd see that the tabloid

3676
02:09:32,629 --> 02:09:30,239
papers uh you'd see

3677
02:09:33,669 --> 02:09:32,639
still discussions in 1993 about this

3678
02:09:36,709 --> 02:09:33,679
stuff

3679
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:37,830
so

3680
02:09:41,750 --> 02:09:39,920
about ufos in general and then i didn't

3681
02:09:44,229 --> 02:09:41,760
leave there until

3682
02:09:45,189 --> 02:09:44,239
well basically 99

3683
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:45,199
so

3684
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:47,199
i was and then having

3685
02:09:51,669 --> 02:09:50,560
heard uh nick pope talk about this for

3686
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:51,679
years

3687
02:09:55,990 --> 02:09:52,880
i mean

3688
02:09:58,229 --> 02:09:56,000
number one for those that maybe

3689
02:09:59,750 --> 02:09:58,239
don't think too much of nick pope

3690
02:10:01,990 --> 02:09:59,760
um

3691
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:02,000
i mean this totally validates everything

3692
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:04,800
he was saying about it right um

3693
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:06,960
all we need now is a is a good satellite

3694
02:10:09,430 --> 02:10:08,400
picture of all the hangar bay doors in

3695
02:10:11,030 --> 02:10:09,440
the side of the mountain to totally

3696
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:11,040
validate what bob lazar was saying but

3697
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:12,800
that's probably not ever going to happen

3698
02:10:17,270 --> 02:10:15,360
so but this right this this uh

3699
02:10:18,069 --> 02:10:17,280
this borders on like for people saying

3700
02:10:20,629 --> 02:10:18,079
well

3701
02:10:23,109 --> 02:10:20,639
if if just one of these ufo reports or

3702
02:10:24,629 --> 02:10:23,119
incidents or encounters

3703
02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:24,639
is true

3704
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:26,960
and proven

3705
02:10:30,709 --> 02:10:28,719
then they all must be or you know the

3706
02:10:32,149 --> 02:10:30,719
vast majority of them because people

3707
02:10:34,390 --> 02:10:32,159
that many people throughout the world

3708
02:10:36,470 --> 02:10:34,400
cannot be absolutely bonkers

3709
02:10:38,390 --> 02:10:36,480
with all the tens of thousands of ufo

3710
02:10:40,310 --> 02:10:38,400
reports that are out there

3711
02:10:42,149 --> 02:10:40,320
and here we are

3712
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:42,159
we're seeing a photograph the original

3713
02:10:45,189 --> 02:10:43,679
photograph that supposedly didn't exist

3714
02:10:47,109 --> 02:10:45,199
anymore

3715
02:10:48,870 --> 02:10:47,119
and it shows not only something that's

3716
02:10:50,310 --> 02:10:48,880
unexplainable this shows something

3717
02:10:51,589 --> 02:10:50,320
that's very explainable which is a

3718
02:10:54,310 --> 02:10:51,599
harrier

3719
02:10:55,669 --> 02:10:54,320
gr4 or some variant of it

3720
02:10:58,870 --> 02:10:55,679
flying in the background just as the

3721
02:11:00,870 --> 02:10:58,880
witnesses said just as nick pope said

3722
02:11:02,390 --> 02:11:00,880
uh and maybe that wasn't even the only

3723
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:02,400
harrier there's the only one captured in

3724
02:11:04,950 --> 02:11:04,000
the photograph apparently there was more

3725
02:11:07,750 --> 02:11:04,960
than one

3726
02:11:09,990 --> 02:11:07,760
i think it's remarkable

3727
02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:10,000
and i know i know people are saying that

3728
02:11:13,270 --> 02:11:11,360
they think it's

3729
02:11:16,470 --> 02:11:13,280
some of the some of the ideas are like

3730
02:11:18,390 --> 02:11:16,480
it's a reflection it's a mountain um

3731
02:11:20,069 --> 02:11:18,400
uh the witnesses said it hovered for 10

3732
02:11:21,510 --> 02:11:20,079
minutes there were two witnesses alleged

3733
02:11:22,950 --> 02:11:21,520
witnesses um

3734
02:11:24,709 --> 02:11:22,960
gave statements and then it shot

3735
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:24,719
straight up in the air so

3736
02:11:28,149 --> 02:11:26,400
people are saying they might the article

3737
02:11:31,669 --> 02:11:28,159
in the daily mail written by david

3738
02:11:33,589 --> 02:11:31,679
clarke who's he's a very hardcore

3739
02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:33,599
very close i would say debunker he's

3740
02:11:38,390 --> 02:11:36,000
like he spoke to somebody and he

3741
02:11:40,149 --> 02:11:38,400
believes it was our technology united

3742
02:11:42,629 --> 02:11:40,159
states technology but and then they said

3743
02:11:44,550 --> 02:11:42,639
they think it was the aurora but

3744
02:11:46,069 --> 02:11:44,560
as far as they know the aurora just

3745
02:11:47,750 --> 02:11:46,079
hover for 10 minutes and then shoot

3746
02:11:50,229 --> 02:11:47,760
straight up i mean obviously it's it's a

3747
02:11:52,550 --> 02:11:50,239
mythological craft so i don't know what

3748
02:11:53,910 --> 02:11:52,560
it would or wouldn't do

3749
02:11:55,350 --> 02:11:53,920
i don't know it's interesting it's a

3750
02:11:57,109 --> 02:11:55,360
great story they dug and they found the

3751
02:11:57,830 --> 02:11:57,119
picture which is great

3752
02:11:58,870 --> 02:11:57,840
but

3753
02:12:01,030 --> 02:11:58,880
i don't know if it's going to change

3754
02:12:02,310 --> 02:12:01,040
anything but it's really interesting

3755
02:12:03,750 --> 02:12:02,320
well there's it's not the only

3756
02:12:06,950 --> 02:12:03,760
interesting thing to come out of out of

3757
02:12:08,550 --> 02:12:06,960
the uk i forget the guy's name but the

3758
02:12:11,189 --> 02:12:08,560
the oil company

3759
02:12:12,709 --> 02:12:11,199
employer employee that was on the uh the

3760
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:12,719
oil rig

3761
02:12:16,149 --> 02:12:14,639
somewhere off the coast of scotland

3762
02:12:17,669 --> 02:12:16,159
north sea

3763
02:12:19,589 --> 02:12:17,679
and um

3764
02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:19,599
he he looked up and saw

3765
02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:21,840
what he thought was the aurora or what

3766
02:12:27,189 --> 02:12:24,480
speculators thought was the aurora and

3767
02:12:29,750 --> 02:12:27,199
it was escorted he was on this he was

3768
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:29,760
actually as a qualified observer he he

3769
02:12:34,229 --> 02:12:32,000
was

3770
02:12:36,550 --> 02:12:34,239
or or had been in the royal observer

3771
02:12:38,709 --> 02:12:36,560
corps so he knew how to identify

3772
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:38,719
aircraft that's the role

3773
02:12:43,109 --> 02:12:41,280
of aircraft naval vessels and what

3774
02:12:45,109 --> 02:12:43,119
whatsoever that might be out there you

3775
02:12:47,030 --> 02:12:45,119
know within the

3776
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:47,040
within the

3777
02:12:51,510 --> 02:12:49,119
uk's airspace or

3778
02:12:53,030 --> 02:12:51,520
or off the coast and so he knew what he

3779
02:12:54,950 --> 02:12:53,040
was looking at and he saw this

3780
02:12:56,229 --> 02:12:54,960
triangular shaped aircraft

3781
02:12:57,750 --> 02:12:56,239
that

3782
02:12:59,270 --> 02:12:57,760
either there was a picture taken or it

3783
02:13:01,990 --> 02:12:59,280
was an artist's impression of what he

3784
02:13:05,030 --> 02:13:02,000
saw but it was escorted what i saw was a

3785
02:13:07,189 --> 02:13:05,040
picture because it would have been in my

3786
02:13:09,990 --> 02:13:07,199
opinion too difficult for the artist to

3787
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:10,000
draw the two f-111

3788
02:13:14,229 --> 02:13:12,639
jets that were escorting it very closely

3789
02:13:15,510 --> 02:13:14,239
off its wing tips

3790
02:13:16,950 --> 02:13:15,520
to um

3791
02:13:20,149 --> 02:13:16,960
which is done

3792
02:13:21,589 --> 02:13:20,159
oftentimes to mask the the the audible

3793
02:13:25,750 --> 02:13:21,599
signature

3794
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:25,760
of the vehicle and i'll give you an

3795
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:26,800
example

3796
02:13:32,870 --> 02:13:30,560
in the in the 1990s i went down to

3797
02:13:34,069 --> 02:13:32,880
uh raf milden hall

3798
02:13:36,709 --> 02:13:34,079
which is

3799
02:13:41,750 --> 02:13:36,719
not far from it's in the same region

3800
02:13:46,229 --> 02:13:43,109
why can't i never think of this

3801
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:46,239
rendelsham forest and all of that

3802
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:48,000
um

3803
02:13:51,990 --> 02:13:49,679
went down there for an air show

3804
02:13:54,149 --> 02:13:52,000
they had an f-117 on static display

3805
02:13:57,189 --> 02:13:54,159
there along with all these other jet jet

3806
02:13:59,270 --> 02:13:57,199
aircraft they also had a b2 overflight

3807
02:14:02,470 --> 02:13:59,280
it didn't allow it to land

3808
02:14:04,229 --> 02:14:02,480
but it it was when it flew over i saw it

3809
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:04,239
all of us saw it it was several miles

3810
02:14:08,229 --> 02:14:05,840
off to the east

3811
02:14:10,229 --> 02:14:08,239
and uh it was just orbiting waiting for

3812
02:14:12,709 --> 02:14:10,239
its you know authorization to turn and

3813
02:14:15,189 --> 02:14:12,719
come fly over the airfield

3814
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:15,199
and do its display

3815
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:17,040
i didn't see them at the time but as it

3816
02:14:20,870 --> 02:14:18,239
got closer

3817
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:20,880
two f-15s joined up

3818
02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:23,440
right on its wing tip like blue angel

3819
02:14:25,510 --> 02:14:24,480
close

3820
02:14:26,629 --> 02:14:25,520
okay

3821
02:14:28,550 --> 02:14:26,639
and flew

3822
02:14:32,310 --> 02:14:28,560
that way over the over the full length

3823
02:14:34,310 --> 02:14:32,320
of the runway so that all you heard

3824
02:14:37,109 --> 02:14:34,320
was the sound of jet noise you didn't

3825
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:37,119
get the distinctive whatever sound that

3826
02:14:42,229 --> 02:14:40,320
b2 bomber makes from its exhaust and

3827
02:14:44,709 --> 02:14:42,239
that was that was to mask its heat

3828
02:14:48,950 --> 02:14:44,719
signature its electronic signature

3829
02:14:52,470 --> 02:14:50,870
basically to mask whatever it might be

3830
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:52,480
emitting that could have been detected

3831
02:14:56,470 --> 02:14:54,560
by adversaries on the ground which there

3832
02:14:59,109 --> 02:14:56,480
were probably would have been several

3833
02:15:01,589 --> 02:14:59,119
from russia or wherever else

3834
02:15:04,069 --> 02:15:01,599
trying to get good photos of the b2 back

3835
02:15:05,669 --> 02:15:04,079
when it was in its

3836
02:15:06,629 --> 02:15:05,679
sort of infancy

3837
02:15:08,470 --> 02:15:06,639
uh

3838
02:15:10,629 --> 02:15:08,480
so this this going back to the sighting

3839
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:10,639
out over the north sea this guy saw this

3840
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:12,639
you can google it and find a picture of

3841
02:15:18,229 --> 02:15:13,760
it

3842
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:18,239
um

3843
02:15:23,510 --> 02:15:20,560
of some sort that's never been unrolled

3844
02:15:27,109 --> 02:15:23,520
or rolled out by the government to date

3845
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:27,119
and it was flanked by two f-111

3846
02:15:30,550 --> 02:15:28,800
jets

3847
02:15:32,229 --> 02:15:30,560
really really close to it

3848
02:15:34,550 --> 02:15:32,239
so

3849
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:34,560
those are just uh

3850
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:36,960
apparently at boscom down there was a

3851
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:38,400
there was a uh

3852
02:15:42,390 --> 02:15:40,719
leave that article about about

3853
02:15:44,229 --> 02:15:42,400
what you were showing talked about this

3854
02:15:46,550 --> 02:15:44,239
as well there have been a lot of strange

3855
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:46,560
things happen at uk

3856
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:47,920
at out of the way

3857
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:50,400
airstrips in the uk because they are so

3858
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:52,800
isolated

3859
02:15:55,750 --> 02:15:54,320
i think the space shuttle during the

3860
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:55,760
space shuttle program

3861
02:16:00,149 --> 02:15:57,760
one of its divert

3862
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:00,159
emergency runways was located

3863
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:03,119
in northern england or scotland

3864
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:05,679
just in case they had to abort

3865
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:07,840
and come down and land somewhere

3866
02:16:09,750 --> 02:16:09,040
um

3867
02:16:11,510 --> 02:16:09,760
so

3868
02:16:13,350 --> 02:16:11,520
all of us everything that's been said

3869
02:16:15,030 --> 02:16:13,360
about all of that is all quite

3870
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:15,040
conceivable

3871
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:16,800
i have a question for you

3872
02:16:21,189 --> 02:16:18,639
let's let's talk

3873
02:16:22,550 --> 02:16:21,199
so the theory came out on twitter

3874
02:16:27,910 --> 02:16:22,560
the tic tac

3875
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:27,920
the x-43a

3876
02:16:30,870 --> 02:16:29,199
scramjet

3877
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:30,880
you explained on the phone to me the

3878
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:32,800
best i've ever heard for an explanation

3879
02:16:36,150 --> 02:16:34,559
for that why that's not the case can you

3880
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:36,160
just go through that again because i had

3881
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:38,080
never heard some of the details that you

3882
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,080
had shared

3883
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:42,639
well everything we know about

3884
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:44,559
hypersonic travel and we know a lot

3885
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:48,080
because we've known about that since we

3886
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:50,719
since the v2 rocket that we got from

3887
02:16:53,750 --> 02:16:52,719
germany and its follow-ons in the space

3888
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:53,760
program

3889
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:56,160
things that we send into space achieve

3890
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:58,080
hypersonic velocity

3891
02:17:02,309 --> 02:17:00,559
it's all you know not to go down the

3892
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:02,319
rabbit hole but everything in the media

3893
02:17:06,309 --> 02:17:04,160
nowadays is like we're trying we got to

3894
02:17:09,110 --> 02:17:06,319
catch up with china and russia who are

3895
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:09,120
well advanced into hypersonics now and

3896
02:17:11,669 --> 02:17:10,800
you see all this lobbying on the hill

3897
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:11,679
and

3898
02:17:16,469 --> 02:17:14,479
new programs starting up for you know to

3899
02:17:18,469 --> 02:17:16,479
accelerate the research well i think

3900
02:17:20,790 --> 02:17:18,479
it's just a bunch of horseshit

3901
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:20,800
because we would have been well schooled

3902
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:23,280
on the science of hypersonics going back

3903
02:17:26,629 --> 02:17:25,040
to the dawn of a space age because we

3904
02:17:28,950 --> 02:17:26,639
were causing things to go that fast

3905
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:28,960
already

3906
02:17:34,629 --> 02:17:32,240
and the tic-tac being an x-43 or any

3907
02:17:36,230 --> 02:17:34,639
other hypersonic vehicle there's one

3908
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:36,240
telltale

3909
02:17:42,070 --> 02:17:38,000
attribute of hypersonics as we

3910
02:17:43,589 --> 02:17:42,080
understand them that are prepar that are

3911
02:17:44,790 --> 02:17:43,599
sort of um

3912
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:44,800
so you say

3913
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:47,120
traditionally powered right with with

3914
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:48,960
blowing something out the back

3915
02:17:53,429 --> 02:17:51,120
sucking in oxygen in the front blowing

3916
02:17:55,030 --> 02:17:53,439
something out the back but that sucking

3917
02:17:56,950 --> 02:17:55,040
in oxygen in the front blowing off

3918
02:17:59,669 --> 02:17:56,960
blowing exhaust out the back for

3919
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:59,679
hypersonics doesn't occur until you go

3920
02:18:04,070 --> 02:18:01,599
through a boost phase so you have to

3921
02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:04,080
have a booster so the x-43

3922
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:06,240
is a flight vehicle designed to fly at

3923
02:18:10,629 --> 02:18:08,559
very high mach and withstand the very

3924
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:10,639
high air friction temperatures that can

3925
02:18:14,709 --> 02:18:12,399
literally melt it

3926
02:18:16,230 --> 02:18:14,719
while it's flying through the air

3927
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:16,240
but it gets there

3928
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:18,880
its engine its technology doesn't work

3929
02:18:23,349 --> 02:18:21,760
until it achieves a certain medium to

3930
02:18:25,750 --> 02:18:23,359
high mop number in the first place to

3931
02:18:26,549 --> 02:18:25,760
get it going and get it started so that

3932
02:18:28,549 --> 02:18:26,559
it's

3933
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:28,559
particularly well designed

3934
02:18:31,990 --> 02:18:30,240
constrictive engine that's taking in

3935
02:18:34,469 --> 02:18:32,000
this thin air

3936
02:18:37,910 --> 02:18:34,479
at altitude it has to be going super

3937
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:37,920
fast to compress that air for detonation

3938
02:18:42,629 --> 02:18:40,319
to blow it blow the exhaust out the back

3939
02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:42,639
all right to sustain its flight it gets

3940
02:18:45,750 --> 02:18:44,080
there by having a rocket booster

3941
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:45,760
attached to the back of it which leaves

3942
02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:47,679
what a trail

3943
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:49,359
so you're gonna you're trying someone's

3944
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:55,669
that the tic tac is a hypersonic vehicle

3945
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:57,760
yet the description from fraver and the

3946
02:19:00,549 --> 02:18:59,200
others is that this thing was bouncing

3947
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:00,559
around changing

3948
02:19:05,830 --> 02:19:03,519
changing uh directions like uh a ping

3949
02:19:07,429 --> 02:19:05,840
pong in a in a glass jar ping-pong ball

3950
02:19:08,629 --> 02:19:07,439
in a glass jar

3951
02:19:10,709 --> 02:19:08,639
um

3952
02:19:11,830 --> 02:19:10,719
well each one of those vector changes

3953
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:11,840
that they observed would have had to

3954
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:14,240
have been each time it came to a stop to

3955
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:16,000
get it to hypersonic velocity would have

3956
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:18,319
needed to be boosted

3957
02:19:22,790 --> 02:19:20,399
if you're talking about a hypersonic

3958
02:19:24,070 --> 02:19:22,800
technology engine right

3959
02:19:25,270 --> 02:19:24,080
um

3960
02:19:27,030 --> 02:19:25,280
and so

3961
02:19:29,750 --> 02:19:27,040
that takes a booster

3962
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:29,760
you would see a sign of a of an ignition

3963
02:19:33,750 --> 02:19:31,760
of a booster the burning of the booster

3964
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:33,760
the exhaust trail of a booster the

3965
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:35,760
booster would then drop off this thing

3966
02:19:38,309 --> 02:19:37,200
would go in that direction it was

3967
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:38,319
propelled

3968
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:40,479
and then if it wanted to what stop in

3969
02:19:43,509 --> 02:19:42,080
mid-flight

3970
02:19:46,070 --> 02:19:43,519
turn around and now

3971
02:19:48,549 --> 02:19:46,080
boost itself again

3972
02:19:50,389 --> 02:19:48,559
what they were observing had no obvious

3973
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,399
signs of propulsion

3974
02:19:56,309 --> 02:19:53,120
okay so i and plus

3975
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:56,319
hypersonic testing hypersonic vehicles

3976
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:57,439
operated

3977
02:20:01,750 --> 02:19:59,520
at high altitude where the air is really

3978
02:20:03,270 --> 02:20:01,760
thin you can't move

3979
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:03,280
we can't

3980
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:05,280
with traditional air vehicles aircraft

3981
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:08,240
jets rockets missiles

3982
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:09,600
can't move

3983
02:20:15,429 --> 02:20:12,160
for sustained periods of time in the

3984
02:20:17,429 --> 02:20:15,439
lower atmosphere at those speeds without

3985
02:20:18,550 --> 02:20:17,439
burning up

3986
02:20:21,590 --> 02:20:18,560
so

3987
02:20:24,950 --> 02:20:21,600
when they launch the x-43a they they

3988
02:20:27,030 --> 02:20:24,960
strap it to the wing pylon of a b-52 and

3989
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:27,040
they take it up to some considerable

3990
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:29,280
multiple thousands of feet

3991
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:31,200
and they drop it from the wing the

3992
02:20:34,309 --> 02:20:32,800
booster on the back ignites and

3993
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:34,319
accelerates it

3994
02:20:37,750 --> 02:20:35,920
and you can look this up i don't know

3995
02:20:39,030 --> 02:20:37,760
whether it takes it to mock three four

3996
02:20:40,150 --> 02:20:39,040
five whatever

3997
02:20:41,990 --> 02:20:40,160
and then

3998
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:42,000
the hypersonic vehicle

3999
02:20:45,590 --> 02:20:43,840
begins to operate on its own and the

4000
02:20:47,429 --> 02:20:45,600
booster drops off

4001
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:47,439
then it's in the case of the x-43 it

4002
02:20:53,590 --> 02:20:50,000
flew for several seconds before it

4003
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:53,600
achieved its mission objectives and

4004
02:20:57,830 --> 02:20:55,439
shut off and crashed into the ocean as

4005
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:57,840
designed

4006
02:21:02,150 --> 02:21:00,800
so i don't think for one second that the

4007
02:21:04,150 --> 02:21:02,160
tic-tac

4008
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:04,160
uh what they were seeing was a

4009
02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:09,990
you know x-43a type vehicle

4010
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:11,520
what happens to the craft afterwards you

4011
02:21:14,550 --> 02:21:13,680
said it was like all like all melted

4012
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:14,560
almost

4013
02:21:19,190 --> 02:21:16,399
well if you if you look at the uh the

4014
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:19,200
b70 bomber the valkyrie that was that

4015
02:21:23,190 --> 02:21:21,040
was developed back in

4016
02:21:24,870 --> 02:21:23,200
what is it late 60s or 70s

4017
02:21:27,590 --> 02:21:24,880
it was

4018
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:27,600
perhaps a precursor to the b1

4019
02:21:32,389 --> 02:21:29,840
the blackjack bomber

4020
02:21:33,990 --> 02:21:32,399
and it was designed to cruise at a very

4021
02:21:35,990 --> 02:21:34,000
high mock

4022
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:36,000
and in flight testing

4023
02:21:41,750 --> 02:21:37,840
uh when they landed i mean you can see

4024
02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:41,760
it it's got scorched uh tips on the

4025
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:43,600
tails and on the uh

4026
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:46,720
horizontal stabilizers it was going so

4027
02:21:51,349 --> 02:21:49,280
fast it literally was

4028
02:21:52,950 --> 02:21:51,359
about to catch fire on its on its you

4029
02:21:55,030 --> 02:21:52,960
know on the edges of its control

4030
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:55,040
surfaces um

4031
02:22:02,550 --> 02:21:58,880
when when in desert storm in in in the

4032
02:22:04,469 --> 02:22:02,560
combat pilots in f-16s and f-15s

4033
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:04,479
when they're orbiting around just doing

4034
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:05,920
their air defense mission and they're

4035
02:22:10,550 --> 02:22:08,640
and they're called up by the aywax hey

4036
02:22:13,110 --> 02:22:10,560
and there are lots of cases of where

4037
02:22:16,309 --> 02:22:13,120
this occurred

4038
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:16,319
we have a bogey at 41 miles

4039
02:22:20,389 --> 02:22:18,479
northeast of your position

4040
02:22:22,309 --> 02:22:20,399
we have troops on the ground

4041
02:22:24,150 --> 02:22:22,319
in danger that could be we don't we know

4042
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:24,160
what aircraft that is it could be

4043
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:26,399
carrying bombs to bomb our troops

4044
02:22:31,830 --> 02:22:29,040
they vector this jet to go shoot it down

4045
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:31,840
and there's multiple cases in iraq where

4046
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:33,760
we did that and these pilots would

4047
02:22:37,590 --> 02:22:35,120
accelerate

4048
02:22:39,030 --> 02:22:37,600
to well beyond mach 1

4049
02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:39,040
and

4050
02:22:41,510 --> 02:22:40,000
their

4051
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:41,520
feet get hot

4052
02:22:44,790 --> 02:22:43,120
literally

4053
02:22:47,510 --> 02:22:44,800
down in the bottom of the cockpit

4054
02:22:50,150 --> 02:22:47,520
because of the airflow the friction

4055
02:22:51,830 --> 02:22:50,160
going around the nose of that jet and

4056
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:51,840
they're going they're cruising you know

4057
02:22:56,870 --> 02:22:54,720
1100 1200 miles an hour trying to get

4058
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:56,880
wherever it is they need to go very

4059
02:23:00,230 --> 02:22:59,439
quickly to engage this target

4060
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:00,240
and

4061
02:23:04,710 --> 02:23:02,720
the jet heats up right

4062
02:23:05,990 --> 02:23:04,720
and that's only at what 1200 miles an

4063
02:23:08,550 --> 02:23:06,000
hour

4064
02:23:10,230 --> 02:23:08,560
what if you're doing mach 6

4065
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:10,240
mach 7

4066
02:23:14,070 --> 02:23:11,680
right you're going to you're going to

4067
02:23:15,349 --> 02:23:14,080
begin to glow

4068
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:15,359
at some point there's going to be a

4069
02:23:20,309 --> 02:23:16,720
plasma

4070
02:23:22,150 --> 02:23:20,319
around the front of that thing

4071
02:23:23,990 --> 02:23:22,160
when you watch

4072
02:23:25,670 --> 02:23:24,000
and and fravor and company they didn't

4073
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:25,680
report any of that

4074
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:27,120
right so whatever this was was

4075
02:23:32,550 --> 02:23:29,680
unconventional right

4076
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:32,560
is my point i could go on no no

4077
02:23:34,870 --> 02:23:33,760
no i just i'd never heard some of the

4078
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:34,880
details you had shared it was

4079
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:37,760
interesting um i i never gave it any

4080
02:23:42,070 --> 02:23:39,520
really weight those theories but i

4081
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:42,080
wanted you to talk about that um i'm

4082
02:23:44,790 --> 02:23:43,040
going to let you go and then i'm going

4083
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:44,800
to go over the bangsting stuff a little

4084
02:23:50,070 --> 02:23:47,200
bit from what i know for like 15 minutes

4085
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:50,080
um if you have any final thoughts or not

4086
02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:51,920
i'll let you go and we'll do something

4087
02:23:56,630 --> 02:23:54,560
soon we have to do that show on

4088
02:23:58,870 --> 02:23:56,640
unconnect paul hill's book because i

4089
02:24:00,790 --> 02:23:58,880
really think that is really important

4090
02:24:03,190 --> 02:24:00,800
book yeah i think a lot of that ties

4091
02:24:05,030 --> 02:24:03,200
back into some of the things it's

4092
02:24:06,389 --> 02:24:05,040
to the nuts and bolts side right for the

4093
02:24:08,230 --> 02:24:06,399
people who are interested more in the

4094
02:24:09,750 --> 02:24:08,240
consciousness side of which all of which

4095
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:09,760
i am a fan

4096
02:24:13,910 --> 02:24:12,240
um and and interested in learning more

4097
02:24:14,870 --> 02:24:13,920
and and have read quite a bit about all

4098
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:14,880
of that

4099
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:17,120
um it probably won't

4100
02:24:20,710 --> 02:24:18,720
scratch their particular it's but i

4101
02:24:22,790 --> 02:24:20,720
think it's all related no i'm definitely

4102
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:22,800
interested i'm interested in it

4103
02:24:26,150 --> 02:24:24,399
all right well it was a pleasure joe

4104
02:24:27,830 --> 02:24:26,160
once again michael thank you again and

4105
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:27,840
we'll see you soon thanks for taking my

4106
02:24:33,590 --> 02:24:30,479
time talking everybody bye-bye

4107
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:34,790
all right i just want to i just want to

4108
02:24:38,630 --> 02:24:36,800
explain bankston a little better since

4109
02:24:41,429 --> 02:24:38,640
i'm so obsessed with bankston because i

4110
02:24:43,349 --> 02:24:41,439
think it's important um so he was uh he

4111
02:24:45,030 --> 02:24:43,359
met a psychic he was younger he was

4112
02:24:47,830 --> 02:24:45,040
working at this pool

4113
02:24:51,030 --> 02:24:49,990
in long island i think and he met this

4114
02:24:52,309 --> 02:24:51,040
you know he heard that there was a

4115
02:24:54,550 --> 02:24:52,319
psychic around you know he was a

4116
02:24:56,070 --> 02:24:54,560
lifeguard bankston uh he met meets this

4117
02:24:58,070 --> 02:24:56,080
guy and he's like come on psychic give

4118
02:24:59,510 --> 02:24:58,080
me a break so the guy gives him readings

4119
02:25:03,190 --> 02:24:59,520
turns out

4120
02:25:05,429 --> 02:25:03,200
really accurate his readings and

4121
02:25:07,349 --> 02:25:05,439
so benson starts doing work with him or

4122
02:25:09,270 --> 02:25:07,359
they're doing readings

4123
02:25:10,870 --> 02:25:09,280
i don't think they were charging at all

4124
02:25:12,630 --> 02:25:10,880
uh he tried to get him to charge but he

4125
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:12,640
wouldn't and i may be wrong on that one

4126
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:14,000
day

4127
02:25:17,830 --> 02:25:16,240
bankston's like my back really hurts and

4128
02:25:19,429 --> 02:25:17,840
and he's like oh yeah what do you want

4129
02:25:21,110 --> 02:25:19,439
me to do with it and at that point i

4130
02:25:22,950 --> 02:25:21,120
think

4131
02:25:24,950 --> 02:25:22,960
people were getting healed like he would

4132
02:25:26,230 --> 02:25:24,960
do a reading and then

4133
02:25:28,550 --> 02:25:26,240
somehow the people he was doing a

4134
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:28,560
reading for they would get healed

4135
02:25:31,349 --> 02:25:30,479
and bankston's like my back is hurting

4136
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:31,359
the guy

4137
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:32,800
benjamin maywright said what do you want

4138
02:25:36,150 --> 02:25:34,800
me to do about it and banks is like fix

4139
02:25:37,510 --> 02:25:36,160
it you hear you're healing all these

4140
02:25:39,670 --> 02:25:37,520
other people

4141
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:39,680
put his hands on benson's back

4142
02:25:44,389 --> 02:25:42,160
heals his back pain benson said he's

4143
02:25:46,870 --> 02:25:44,399
never had uh back pain again in his

4144
02:25:49,190 --> 02:25:46,880
entire life so

4145
02:25:51,030 --> 02:25:49,200
make a long story short they get this

4146
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:51,040
experiment set up i think it was queen's

4147
02:25:54,870 --> 02:25:53,120
college and the guy's name was

4148
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:54,880
who he was working with at the college

4149
02:25:59,110 --> 02:25:57,200
was

4150
02:26:01,110 --> 02:25:59,120
i forget

4151
02:26:03,910 --> 02:26:01,120
everything's set benjamin mayrick is

4152
02:26:05,590 --> 02:26:03,920
going to be the healer

4153
02:26:07,190 --> 02:26:05,600
not long before the experiment and you

4154
02:26:08,870 --> 02:26:07,200
know they had to get the mice in place

4155
02:26:10,710 --> 02:26:08,880
everything not easy

4156
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:10,720
a couple of days whatever before the

4157
02:26:14,309 --> 02:26:13,040
experiment the psychic benjamin merrick

4158
02:26:16,710 --> 02:26:14,319
says you know what i don't want to do

4159
02:26:18,389 --> 02:26:16,720
this sorry he's like

4160
02:26:20,150 --> 02:26:18,399
we worked on this what are you doing

4161
02:26:21,510 --> 02:26:20,160
this this is something we've it took a

4162
02:26:24,230 --> 02:26:21,520
lot of work to get this together he's

4163
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:24,240
like i'm not interested sorry

4164
02:26:28,150 --> 02:26:26,399
end of their relationship pretty much so

4165
02:26:29,429 --> 02:26:28,160
bankston you know

4166
02:26:30,870 --> 02:26:29,439
can

4167
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:30,880
forget the guy's name benson is

4168
02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:32,319
convinced to do the healing he's like

4169
02:26:34,630 --> 02:26:33,520
i'm not a healer they're like well

4170
02:26:36,469 --> 02:26:34,640
you're gonna have to try it we have the

4171
02:26:37,510 --> 02:26:36,479
mice so let's do it

4172
02:26:39,190 --> 02:26:37,520
so

4173
02:26:41,270 --> 02:26:39,200
he starts doing it and they inject the

4174
02:26:43,590 --> 02:26:41,280
mice with this cancer and and the mice

4175
02:26:44,710 --> 02:26:43,600
start developing this these big

4176
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:44,720
tumors

4177
02:26:52,230 --> 02:26:48,880
and bankston's still doing it

4178
02:26:55,990 --> 02:26:54,550
and benson might call it energy healing

4179
02:26:57,670 --> 02:26:56,000
on his book but he has no idea if

4180
02:26:59,910 --> 02:26:57,680
there's any energy involved because he

4181
02:27:02,389 --> 02:26:59,920
goes if it's energy and then there's a

4182
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:02,399
distance and the further you get away

4183
02:27:06,309 --> 02:27:04,319
from your subject then the healing

4184
02:27:07,750 --> 02:27:06,319
should just diminish but it doesn't so

4185
02:27:10,070 --> 02:27:07,760
he doesn't think it's does not think

4186
02:27:11,590 --> 02:27:10,080
it's healing does not think it's energy

4187
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:11,600
involved

4188
02:27:15,030 --> 02:27:13,359
so he's doing the experiment and the

4189
02:27:17,110 --> 02:27:15,040
mice the tumor is getting bigger he's

4190
02:27:19,030 --> 02:27:17,120
like let's just end this the mouse is in

4191
02:27:21,349 --> 02:27:19,040
pain come on it's suffering let's end

4192
02:27:24,550 --> 02:27:21,359
this and the guy's like just keep going

4193
02:27:26,630 --> 02:27:24,560
um next day tumor is getting bigger

4194
02:27:28,469 --> 02:27:26,640
bengston's like listen um

4195
02:27:30,389 --> 02:27:28,479
and the guy's like look at the eyes the

4196
02:27:32,469 --> 02:27:30,399
mice may have a larger tumor but the

4197
02:27:34,710 --> 02:27:32,479
eyes um

4198
02:27:36,870 --> 02:27:34,720
seems like the mice is fine keeps doing

4199
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:36,880
the technique that benjamin maywright

4200
02:27:40,550 --> 02:27:37,840
taught him

4201
02:27:42,830 --> 02:27:40,560
tumor implodes mice is cured of cancer

4202
02:27:45,670 --> 02:27:42,840
so that's basically it

4203
02:27:46,710 --> 02:27:45,680
um study after study after study he's

4204
02:27:49,190 --> 02:27:46,720
done

4205
02:27:51,349 --> 02:27:49,200
and the mice get cured uh you need to

4206
02:27:53,030 --> 02:27:51,359
check out i linked to his

4207
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:53,040
one of his interviews in the in the

4208
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:53,920
notes

4209
02:27:57,270 --> 02:27:55,920
you'll see there's so many interviews by

4210
02:27:58,950 --> 02:27:57,280
him there's also

4211
02:28:00,389 --> 02:27:58,960
a lot of lectures he's given some at

4212
02:28:01,670 --> 02:28:00,399
medical schools in front of medical

4213
02:28:03,510 --> 02:28:01,680
students

4214
02:28:05,750 --> 02:28:03,520
and like i said he's like if you see a

4215
02:28:07,349 --> 02:28:05,760
problem with my methodology for my

4216
02:28:09,590 --> 02:28:07,359
experiments just tell me and i'll

4217
02:28:13,030 --> 02:28:09,600
address it but nobody ever can find one

4218
02:28:16,469 --> 02:28:13,040
you and he's just he's just adding one

4219
02:28:18,550 --> 02:28:16,479
variable to a very well-known study with

4220
02:28:22,230 --> 02:28:18,560
mice that are injected with mammary

4221
02:28:23,830 --> 02:28:22,240
cancer and they will die within 27 days

4222
02:28:25,750 --> 02:28:23,840
add the one

4223
02:28:28,070 --> 02:28:25,760
different variable which is his

4224
02:28:29,830 --> 02:28:28,080
technique and the mice live most of the

4225
02:28:33,110 --> 02:28:29,840
mice live two years which is their

4226
02:28:34,710 --> 02:28:33,120
normal lifespan that shouldn't happen

4227
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:34,720
like i said there are two big names in

4228
02:28:38,550 --> 02:28:36,880
this community

4229
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:38,560
that know of this work are very

4230
02:28:41,990 --> 02:28:40,000
impressed by this work and they're like

4231
02:28:43,110 --> 02:28:42,000
just keep replicating it keep looking

4232
02:28:44,710 --> 02:28:43,120
into it

4233
02:28:47,110 --> 02:28:44,720
the community doesn't want anything to

4234
02:28:48,389 --> 02:28:47,120
do with it but it's so much data there's

4235
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:48,399
so much data you can go to is

4236
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:50,240
bankstonresearch.com

4237
02:28:54,550 --> 02:28:52,880
we want data in the ufo world we don't

4238
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:54,560
really have it not in the public realm

4239
02:28:58,550 --> 02:28:56,720
except for anecdotal and home videos

4240
02:28:59,670 --> 02:28:58,560
which are usually less than less than

4241
02:29:00,550 --> 02:28:59,680
impressive

4242
02:29:02,309 --> 02:29:00,560
um

4243
02:29:03,830 --> 02:29:02,319
the government data we don't have we

4244
02:29:05,510 --> 02:29:03,840
have three videos which are not enough

4245
02:29:07,270 --> 02:29:05,520
to get the masses interested you know

4246
02:29:08,790 --> 02:29:07,280
they were talking earlier about

4247
02:29:10,710 --> 02:29:08,800
i think it was grant who said you know

4248
02:29:12,550 --> 02:29:10,720
the new york times put out the three

4249
02:29:14,630 --> 02:29:12,560
videos in the article and and the public

4250
02:29:16,550 --> 02:29:14,640
response was like ah no big deal that's

4251
02:29:18,469 --> 02:29:16,560
because that's not enough that's not

4252
02:29:20,630 --> 02:29:18,479
enough if we got the real data that

4253
02:29:23,270 --> 02:29:20,640
supposedly exists in these special

4254
02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:23,280
access programs and it's clear as day

4255
02:29:27,030 --> 02:29:25,200
um you know we see craft making

4256
02:29:28,950 --> 02:29:27,040
90-degree turns we have

4257
02:29:30,870 --> 02:29:28,960
f-18 pilots saying yeah i was there it

4258
02:29:33,190 --> 02:29:30,880
was on my wing and then it shot up into

4259
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:33,200
the sky if we get that then people it'll

4260
02:29:36,389 --> 02:29:35,120
become real for a lot more people and

4261
02:29:38,630 --> 02:29:36,399
then if we have a crash retrieval

4262
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:38,640
program and if some miracle we find out

4263
02:29:42,950 --> 02:29:40,800
about it publicly and they can show us

4264
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:42,960
the craft and the bodies that allegedly

4265
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:45,359
exist that would make it real for people

4266
02:29:49,110 --> 02:29:47,520
then i would like to see how the public

4267
02:29:51,349 --> 02:29:49,120
responds

4268
02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:51,359
but right now when lou says disclosure

4269
02:29:55,910 --> 02:29:53,920
has already happened no it hasn't i mean

4270
02:29:57,910 --> 02:29:55,920
i understand what he's saying but the

4271
02:29:59,030 --> 02:29:57,920
masses do not accept that disclosure has

4272
02:30:01,590 --> 02:29:59,040
happened

4273
02:30:03,510 --> 02:30:01,600
um as far as johnny um

4274
02:30:04,550 --> 02:30:03,520
it's real there's no doubt it's real i

4275
02:30:06,309 --> 02:30:04,560
mean

4276
02:30:08,630 --> 02:30:06,319
it's when you look at the experiment

4277
02:30:11,510 --> 02:30:08,640
when you listen to bankston the guy is

4278
02:30:14,389 --> 02:30:11,520
very very smart the guy is a like i said

4279
02:30:16,309 --> 02:30:14,399
he's a statistician a sociologist

4280
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:16,319
he's accepted the fact that people won't

4281
02:30:21,990 --> 02:30:19,600
accept this um people in his field

4282
02:30:23,910 --> 02:30:22,000
and it's he calls it the boggle factor

4283
02:30:25,670 --> 02:30:23,920
some things people some things people

4284
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:25,680
are able to accept as

4285
02:30:29,429 --> 02:30:27,920
reality but everybody has their limit to

4286
02:30:31,910 --> 02:30:29,439
where they go some people are like yeah

4287
02:30:33,270 --> 02:30:31,920
ufos are real nuts and bolts craft and

4288
02:30:35,030 --> 02:30:33,280
if you take it to consciousness they're

4289
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:35,040
like nope don't want anything to do with

4290
02:30:37,190 --> 02:30:36,160
consciousness

4291
02:30:38,550 --> 02:30:37,200
take it to another you know then there

4292
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:38,560
are people that are interested in all of

4293
02:30:43,830 --> 02:30:42,000
that take it to bigfoot like bigfoot

4294
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:43,840
i'm out of here take it to the next

4295
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:46,800
level healing done you know so there's

4296
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:48,319
different the bottle factor is about

4297
02:30:51,830 --> 02:30:50,479
different levels of acceptance depending

4298
02:30:54,309 --> 02:30:51,840
on who it is

4299
02:30:56,309 --> 02:30:54,319
tom i agree tom disclosure has not

4300
02:30:58,630 --> 02:30:56,319
happened i understand lou is saying

4301
02:31:01,110 --> 02:30:58,640
disclosure that uap unidentified

4302
02:31:03,270 --> 02:31:01,120
phenomena are in our affcraft in our

4303
02:31:05,270 --> 02:31:03,280
airspace yeah that's happened

4304
02:31:07,030 --> 02:31:05,280
but the masses don't accept it so we're

4305
02:31:08,309 --> 02:31:07,040
not even close i don't think we're even

4306
02:31:11,110 --> 02:31:08,319
close

4307
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:11,120
to seeing how the masses would react

4308
02:31:15,590 --> 02:31:14,160
to some anomalous intelligence in our

4309
02:31:17,670 --> 02:31:15,600
midst

4310
02:31:20,070 --> 02:31:17,680
in our presence

4311
02:31:22,469 --> 02:31:20,080
and um until that happens

4312
02:31:24,950 --> 02:31:22,479
i don't think you can say the public is

4313
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:24,960
fine with it as christopher mellon said

4314
02:31:28,469 --> 02:31:27,120
to john podesta when john podesta said

4315
02:31:31,110 --> 02:31:28,479
the american people could handle the

4316
02:31:32,950 --> 02:31:31,120
truth chris mellon said how could you

4317
02:31:34,950 --> 02:31:32,960
say the american people can handle the

4318
02:31:37,349 --> 02:31:34,960
truth when we don't know what the truth

4319
02:31:39,190 --> 02:31:37,359
is yet you know kind of doesn't make any

4320
02:31:41,270 --> 02:31:39,200
sense which i agree with melon and that

4321
02:31:45,110 --> 02:31:41,280
was a few years ago which i used to

4322
02:31:48,469 --> 02:31:47,190
yes i think so too so many avenues to go

4323
02:31:50,389 --> 02:31:48,479
down that will lead us to a new

4324
02:31:52,550 --> 02:31:50,399
understanding of life i hope it's cool

4325
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:52,560
or at least better than this chaos yeah

4326
02:31:55,510 --> 02:31:53,760
um

4327
02:31:56,550 --> 02:31:55,520
that's why that book i mentioned i put

4328
02:31:58,309 --> 02:31:56,560
up

4329
02:32:00,309 --> 02:31:58,319
talks about it's really interesting

4330
02:32:02,790 --> 02:32:00,319
talking about this other world and these

4331
02:32:04,950 --> 02:32:02,800
other beings if you can call them other

4332
02:32:06,870 --> 02:32:04,960
intelligences that shamans would try to

4333
02:32:08,870 --> 02:32:06,880
communicate for their community back

4334
02:32:10,630 --> 02:32:08,880
then and they talk about how the

4335
02:32:12,950 --> 02:32:10,640
trickster you know the trickster element

4336
02:32:14,550 --> 02:32:12,960
in all of this it's funny mick west says

4337
02:32:16,309 --> 02:32:14,560
oh jacques vale talks about the

4338
02:32:18,150 --> 02:32:16,319
trickster it's like it's trickster being

4339
02:32:19,670 --> 02:32:18,160
no it's not a trickster being it's just

4340
02:32:21,670 --> 02:32:19,680
something that is

4341
02:32:23,910 --> 02:32:21,680
part of certain cases

4342
02:32:25,429 --> 02:32:23,920
trickster element where it's you know it

4343
02:32:28,710 --> 02:32:25,439
seems like it's leading you down the

4344
02:32:30,469 --> 02:32:28,720
wrong path so this book by little and

4345
02:32:31,910 --> 02:32:30,479
collins talks about how

4346
02:32:33,670 --> 02:32:31,920
and it's little that said he believed

4347
02:32:35,110 --> 02:32:33,680
that the shaman would encounter this

4348
02:32:36,710 --> 02:32:35,120
trickster and

4349
02:32:39,110 --> 02:32:36,720
you know once you get past the trickster

4350
02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:39,120
and the whatever this intelligence is

4351
02:32:44,710 --> 02:32:41,920
believes that your intentions are pure

4352
02:32:46,630 --> 02:32:44,720
and not selfish it will take you to more

4353
02:32:48,870 --> 02:32:46,640
information that is very usable for your

4354
02:32:49,750 --> 02:32:48,880
community and that's where

4355
02:32:51,349 --> 02:32:49,760
we

4356
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:51,359
you know this is definitely

4357
02:32:55,429 --> 02:32:52,960
for a lot of people this is woo-woo

4358
02:32:57,190 --> 02:32:55,439
stuff um

4359
02:32:59,429 --> 02:32:57,200
but for me it's really interesting and

4360
02:33:01,510 --> 02:32:59,439
that's that's really that's what i want

4361
02:33:03,590 --> 02:33:01,520
to go i want to go down that path i love

4362
02:33:05,910 --> 02:33:03,600
the ufo stuff but

4363
02:33:07,830 --> 02:33:05,920
this other stuff is more important to me

4364
02:33:09,750 --> 02:33:07,840
especially cancer if you can cure cancer

4365
02:33:11,349 --> 02:33:09,760
using that technique

4366
02:33:13,990 --> 02:33:11,359
yeah you know it's more important than

4367
02:33:15,750 --> 02:33:14,000
ufos of course

4368
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:15,760
uh ufo knots are not going to balance

4369
02:33:19,270 --> 02:33:17,280
out no i don't think so either it's

4370
02:33:22,790 --> 02:33:19,280
going to be up to us

4371
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:22,800
i don't think they care either way but i

4372
02:33:25,270 --> 02:33:23,680
you know

4373
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:25,280
i need to read that book and i've also

4374
02:33:29,590 --> 02:33:26,800
had the opinion you know when you read

4375
02:33:32,070 --> 02:33:29,600
john keel he talks about

4376
02:33:33,670 --> 02:33:32,080
this intelligence and and semivan has

4377
02:33:36,150 --> 02:33:33,680
talked about it too it lies to you and

4378
02:33:38,389 --> 02:33:36,160
cajoles you it um sometimes it heals

4379
02:33:40,070 --> 02:33:38,399
people sometimes it hurts people

4380
02:33:41,750 --> 02:33:40,080
i don't know i it's hard to figure out

4381
02:33:42,790 --> 02:33:41,760
what the hell its intentions are if

4382
02:33:45,190 --> 02:33:42,800
anything

4383
02:33:49,030 --> 02:33:45,200
and and in that book they do bring up

4384
02:33:51,429 --> 02:33:49,040
call young and the archetypes uh

4385
02:33:53,030 --> 02:33:51,439
that it's actually a real thing and i

4386
02:33:55,349 --> 02:33:53,040
don't want to talk more about it until i

4387
02:33:57,110 --> 02:33:55,359
read it and have a better grasp of it

4388
02:33:58,950 --> 02:33:57,120
but they're like if you read carl jung's

4389
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:58,960
book which i have not

4390
02:34:02,630 --> 02:34:00,640
he didn't think it was just some

4391
02:34:04,630 --> 02:34:02,640
mythical archetype part of us you

4392
02:34:06,070 --> 02:34:04,640
thought it was more than that but like i

4393
02:34:07,830 --> 02:34:06,080
said first of all i need to read that

4394
02:34:09,830 --> 02:34:07,840
book and i need to read the book that i

4395
02:34:11,429 --> 02:34:09,840
put up earlier

4396
02:34:12,950 --> 02:34:11,439
if you guys have any questions i know

4397
02:34:15,030 --> 02:34:12,960
it's hard when i have a guest on

4398
02:34:16,950 --> 02:34:15,040
especially three

4399
02:34:18,950 --> 02:34:16,960
to get to all the questions the chat was

4400
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:18,960
going so fast i could not keep up with

4401
02:34:27,190 --> 02:34:25,190
i'm not really sure what you mean that

4402
02:34:28,790 --> 02:34:27,200
it is different it's though that's what

4403
02:34:31,670 --> 02:34:28,800
why i'm not really sure you want to

4404
02:34:33,270 --> 02:34:31,680
rephrase that i'll address it joe

4405
02:34:36,630 --> 02:34:33,280
um

4406
02:34:38,389 --> 02:34:36,640
i know that if i if i veer off of nuts

4407
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:38,399
and bolts you lose a percentage of the

4408
02:34:41,670 --> 02:34:39,840
audience but

4409
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:41,680
i know nuts and bolts does really i know

4410
02:34:44,630 --> 02:34:43,120
consciousness does really well with

4411
02:34:47,190 --> 02:34:44,640
viewers but that's not why i do it i

4412
02:34:50,630 --> 02:34:47,200
mean somebody like david wilcock

4413
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:50,640
he is so out there he has a massive

4414
02:34:54,469 --> 02:34:52,800
audience they love that stuff

4415
02:34:57,110 --> 02:34:54,479
i'm not doing that unless unless i

4416
02:34:58,790 --> 02:34:57,120
believed it 100 i would talk about it

4417
02:35:00,550 --> 02:34:58,800
but i'm not gonna do something just to

4418
02:35:02,389 --> 02:35:00,560
get viewers or to get you know to make

4419
02:35:05,510 --> 02:35:02,399
money basically

4420
02:35:08,870 --> 02:35:05,520
i'm i i blocked everybody i saw i think

4421
02:35:11,429 --> 02:35:08,880
i saw everybody who was taking shots so

4422
02:35:15,429 --> 02:35:11,439
um i could use somebody to go through

4423
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:15,439
questions is that what mods do also um

4424
02:35:18,550 --> 02:35:16,640
so yeah

4425
02:35:20,469 --> 02:35:18,560
i definitely could use help it's it's a

4426
02:35:25,110 --> 02:35:20,479
lot of stuff to do the blog to do

4427
02:35:27,590 --> 02:35:25,120
youtube and and twitter um thanks rhino

4428
02:35:29,349 --> 02:35:27,600
i'm grounded i just love

4429
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:29,359
i don't think you know we're just

4430
02:35:33,590 --> 02:35:32,080
physical beings so that's why i delve

4431
02:35:35,270 --> 02:35:33,600
into the consciousness stuff i've taken

4432
02:35:36,870 --> 02:35:35,280
remote viewing classes i've seen it work

4433
02:35:40,710 --> 02:35:36,880
for myself even though it wasn't

4434
02:35:42,389 --> 02:35:40,720
spectacular data um ex-wife did it both

4435
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:42,399
ex-wives took classes with me they both

4436
02:35:46,309 --> 02:35:44,560
did well um first one is a natural

4437
02:35:48,230 --> 02:35:46,319
psychic she did really well

4438
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:48,240
um

4439
02:35:51,750 --> 02:35:50,240
to say it implies it's all one thing i'm

4440
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:51,760
sure many different things with

4441
02:35:56,070 --> 02:35:53,680
different agendas maybe i don't know i

4442
02:35:57,750 --> 02:35:56,080
don't know i go back and forth i did ask

4443
02:35:59,349 --> 02:35:57,760
somebody in

4444
02:36:01,270 --> 02:35:59,359
somebody on the inside what do you think

4445
02:36:03,590 --> 02:36:01,280
and they said it's contradictory and

4446
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:03,600
they use the word it's a show and

4447
02:36:09,830 --> 02:36:05,920
i've said that before um really smart

4448
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:11,270
there is a difference between

4449
02:36:15,030 --> 02:36:13,040
consciousness studies and fake stupidity

4450
02:36:18,389 --> 02:36:15,040
i think that's a reference to the

4451
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:18,399
say some wilcock stuff when

4452
02:36:22,870 --> 02:36:21,359
he told his wife to say that

4453
02:36:24,469 --> 02:36:22,880
tom do you think congress is going to

4454
02:36:27,110 --> 02:36:24,479
look into the wilson documents yes yes

4455
02:36:29,429 --> 02:36:27,120
yes yes yes 100 but i tell people as

4456
02:36:30,790 --> 02:36:29,439
much as i want the wilson documents to

4457
02:36:32,309 --> 02:36:30,800
be validated i mean they've been

4458
02:36:33,429 --> 02:36:32,319
validated for me

4459
02:36:35,349 --> 02:36:33,439
um

4460
02:36:37,349 --> 02:36:35,359
the big question is not wilson davis

4461
02:36:38,790 --> 02:36:37,359
it's more the people in the programs and

4462
02:36:40,389 --> 02:36:38,800
are they going to speak out and are we

4463
02:36:41,510 --> 02:36:40,399
going to get to hear from them you know

4464
02:36:43,429 --> 02:36:41,520
it's like

4465
02:36:45,110 --> 02:36:43,439
if they talk to the arrow office and we

4466
02:36:46,710 --> 02:36:45,120
don't get to hear about it that sucks i

4467
02:36:48,550 --> 02:36:46,720
mean that's not really going to be any

4468
02:36:49,830 --> 02:36:48,560
there's no satisfaction in that for us i

4469
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:49,840
want to hear from the people i want them

4470
02:36:53,110 --> 02:36:51,600
to be whistleblowers which is probably

4471
02:36:54,150 --> 02:36:53,120
not going to happen it would be great if

4472
02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:54,160
somebody just says you know what i'm

4473
02:36:58,710 --> 02:36:55,439
just going on

4474
02:37:01,110 --> 02:36:58,720
cnn or fox news or msnbc if in our

4475
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,120
dreams but right now i'm going to go on

4476
02:37:04,389 --> 02:37:03,280
tucker carlson and i'm going to spill my

4477
02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:04,399
guts and i'm going to talk about the

4478
02:37:08,150 --> 02:37:06,160
crash retrieval program i don't care

4479
02:37:10,230 --> 02:37:08,160
what anybody else anybody else has to

4480
02:37:12,309 --> 02:37:10,240
say this is so important for humanity

4481
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:12,319
that's allegedly why lazar went public

4482
02:37:20,950 --> 02:37:18,870
i know you know this is and

4483
02:37:22,469 --> 02:37:20,960
back to that yes gallagher isn't letting

4484
02:37:24,230 --> 02:37:22,479
it go but

4485
02:37:26,150 --> 02:37:24,240
i think eric davis has given them all

4486
02:37:27,590 --> 02:37:26,160
the information they need i believe

4487
02:37:29,590 --> 02:37:27,600
they've located the crash retrieval

4488
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:29,600
program the next step is up to congress

4489
02:37:33,190 --> 02:37:31,439
and up to the arrow office so let's see

4490
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:33,200
what happens

4491
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:34,560
i know you know this i'm just saying

4492
02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:35,840
wording

4493
02:37:44,830 --> 02:37:41,840
demons um

4494
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:44,840
my gambling is not up for discussion my

4495
02:37:48,950 --> 02:37:47,600
demons but demons yeah i mean maybe some

4496
02:37:50,790 --> 02:37:48,960
of the stuff that kiel talks about

4497
02:37:52,469 --> 02:37:50,800
that's natural to this planet that's

4498
02:37:54,790 --> 02:37:52,479
been here forever some of it acts

4499
02:37:56,630 --> 02:37:54,800
demonic i think that's what's going on

4500
02:38:00,630 --> 02:37:56,640
trying to hard really hard to figure out

4501
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:02,950
who has had the fear of god be beaten

4502
02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:14,710
explain that one to me um

4503
02:38:19,190 --> 02:38:17,270
let's see

4504
02:38:20,710 --> 02:38:19,200
my father was over the top so i said

4505
02:38:22,710 --> 02:38:20,720
that to him he would say you were full

4506
02:38:24,070 --> 02:38:22,720
of bs and all that sci stuff was garbage

4507
02:38:27,429 --> 02:38:24,080
yeah i mean there's a lot of people who

4508
02:38:30,230 --> 02:38:27,439
think psychic abilities known as psy

4509
02:38:31,670 --> 02:38:30,240
or telepathy it's all that stuff

4510
02:38:36,950 --> 02:38:31,680
um

4511
02:38:39,590 --> 02:38:38,230
they're fairies and some of them like to

4512
02:38:43,670 --> 02:38:39,600
play with you it's funny because that

4513
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:43,680
book i was talking about talks about how

4514
02:38:46,950 --> 02:38:45,359
they wouldn't just take the form of

4515
02:38:48,950 --> 02:38:46,960
something that was common at the time

4516
02:38:50,630 --> 02:38:48,960
they would actually interact with your

4517
02:38:52,389 --> 02:38:50,640
consciousness your consciousness and

4518
02:38:54,230 --> 02:38:52,399
your expectations that's why people

4519
02:38:56,710 --> 02:38:54,240
would see fairies back then now we

4520
02:38:58,309 --> 02:38:56,720
expect technology so it's not just that

4521
02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:58,319
they take that form it's it's

4522
02:39:03,030 --> 02:39:00,240
interacting with your intentions and

4523
02:39:04,230 --> 02:39:03,040
what you expect to see allegedly that's

4524
02:39:06,150 --> 02:39:04,240
one of those programs that's what that

4525
02:39:07,990 --> 02:39:06,160
book is talking about

4526
02:39:09,349 --> 02:39:08,000
some ufos are humans with demonic

4527
02:39:13,190 --> 02:39:09,359
assistance

4528
02:39:14,630 --> 02:39:13,200
yeah i have no idea if that's true

4529
02:39:15,830 --> 02:39:14,640
yeah i'm responding to it joe that's

4530
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:15,840
fine i mean i mean there's a lot of

4531
02:39:19,349 --> 02:39:17,280
theories out there i mean i have

4532
02:39:21,270 --> 02:39:19,359
theories but i'll never say

4533
02:39:23,030 --> 02:39:21,280
this is what's going on or that's what's

4534
02:39:24,550 --> 02:39:23,040
going on there there are people that do

4535
02:39:26,630 --> 02:39:24,560
that and it's like a turn off to me on

4536
02:39:29,190 --> 02:39:26,640
twitter they're like by the way

4537
02:39:30,630 --> 02:39:29,200
these beings are using these craft and

4538
02:39:32,469 --> 02:39:30,640
you know this is how they get around the

4539
02:39:33,990 --> 02:39:32,479
universe and that's what's going on and

4540
02:39:35,429 --> 02:39:34,000
i'm like okay

4541
02:39:39,270 --> 02:39:35,439
i don't know what else i can say to that

4542
02:39:41,590 --> 02:39:39,280
but interesting theory maybe

4543
02:39:44,150 --> 02:39:41,600
i am hungry

4544
02:39:46,389 --> 02:39:44,160
let's see two hours and 40 minutes i

4545
02:39:48,550 --> 02:39:46,399
will keep going since there's 143 if you

4546
02:39:51,270 --> 02:39:48,560
have any questions or i can ramble

4547
02:39:52,630 --> 02:39:51,280
incoherently for the next 20 minutes

4548
02:39:54,630 --> 02:39:52,640
um

4549
02:39:56,870 --> 02:39:54,640
i would go work for bankston and give up

4550
02:39:59,190 --> 02:39:56,880
all ufo interest if he could pay me

4551
02:40:00,469 --> 02:39:59,200
enough to pay bills and it was in a city

4552
02:40:02,630 --> 02:40:00,479
that i'd like to be in because i think

4553
02:40:04,790 --> 02:40:02,640
that work is really important i mean

4554
02:40:06,870 --> 02:40:04,800
curing cancer come on um and i

4555
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:06,880
understand people are upset by oh

4556
02:40:10,070 --> 02:40:08,399
you know somebody did ask me i had

4557
02:40:12,309 --> 02:40:10,080
people ask me about him and i said go to

4558
02:40:13,910 --> 02:40:12,319
this person look into it no guarantees

4559
02:40:14,870 --> 02:40:13,920
there are no guarantees this is going to

4560
02:40:16,309 --> 02:40:14,880
work

4561
02:40:17,590 --> 02:40:16,319
whatsoever if you think you need

4562
02:40:19,830 --> 02:40:17,600
radiation

4563
02:40:21,990 --> 02:40:19,840
regular treatment do it you know

4564
02:40:23,990 --> 02:40:22,000
bankston says that if you get radiation

4565
02:40:25,990 --> 02:40:24,000
or chemotherapy it doesn't work well he

4566
02:40:27,670 --> 02:40:26,000
also said he has students that have

4567
02:40:29,510 --> 02:40:27,680
learned his technique and they have no

4568
02:40:31,750 --> 02:40:29,520
problem in curing people of cancer even

4569
02:40:33,910 --> 02:40:31,760
after they've gotten radiation and chemo

4570
02:40:35,510 --> 02:40:33,920
treatment chemo treatments like i said

4571
02:40:37,429 --> 02:40:35,520
though that's human tech you know it's

4572
02:40:40,389 --> 02:40:37,439
anecdotal it's you know it's anecdotal

4573
02:40:42,309 --> 02:40:40,399
the mice are not anecdotal humans are

4574
02:40:44,389 --> 02:40:42,319
for now i mentioned this earlier george

4575
02:40:46,150 --> 02:40:44,399
knapp has people with in the dod willing

4576
02:40:47,990 --> 02:40:46,160
to come forward regarding uap crash

4577
02:40:49,750 --> 02:40:48,000
retrieval and technology he doesn't have

4578
02:40:52,070 --> 02:40:49,760
people i think he's talked about he's

4579
02:40:53,750 --> 02:40:52,080
heard from folks in the know that that's

4580
02:40:55,990 --> 02:40:53,760
going on so yeah i

4581
02:40:57,670 --> 02:40:56,000
i had that tweet uh i haven't pulled up

4582
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:57,680
the audio yet from his coast-to-coast

4583
02:41:02,230 --> 02:40:59,760
appearance with chris sharp

4584
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:02,240
it was last week i think so yeah george

4585
02:41:06,710 --> 02:41:04,000
is in contact with some really

4586
02:41:08,469 --> 02:41:06,720
interesting people and sources

4587
02:41:10,630 --> 02:41:08,479
me personally i mean

4588
02:41:12,550 --> 02:41:10,640
i have not heard that i don't have

4589
02:41:14,550 --> 02:41:12,560
anywhere near the contacts that he has

4590
02:41:19,990 --> 02:41:14,560
maybe one one thousandth

4591
02:41:24,790 --> 02:41:22,070
well that was um yeah there are people

4592
02:41:26,309 --> 02:41:24,800
that have amazing abilities you know um

4593
02:41:27,830 --> 02:41:26,319
and then there are people who don't have

4594
02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:27,840
amazing abilities i think it runs the

4595
02:41:33,750 --> 02:41:30,800
gamut just like any uh a talent

4596
02:41:35,269 --> 02:41:33,760
instrumental talent um sports talent you

4597
02:41:37,349 --> 02:41:35,279
know there's only certain people who

4598
02:41:38,389 --> 02:41:37,359
certain amount of people could hit 400 a

4599
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:38,399
handful

4600
02:41:42,389 --> 02:41:40,160
it's just like you know any other talent

4601
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:42,399
some people have a little bit of it a

4602
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:44,560
little bit of it some people have a lot

4603
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:49,349
they are like the stay puff marshmallow

4604
02:41:52,550 --> 02:41:51,200
man pick the form of your destroyer it

4605
02:41:54,469 --> 02:41:52,560
could be something like that i don't

4606
02:41:56,309 --> 02:41:54,479
think it's all of that but yeah if it's

4607
02:41:57,830 --> 02:41:56,319
interacting with our expectations and

4608
02:42:00,070 --> 02:41:57,840
consciousness we could be the ones who

4609
02:42:01,510 --> 02:42:00,080
are driving what form they take i'm not

4610
02:42:03,990 --> 02:42:01,520
sure if that's everything that's going

4611
02:42:05,349 --> 02:42:04,000
on that may be just one part of it

4612
02:42:06,870 --> 02:42:05,359
maybe we chose fairies because the

4613
02:42:09,830 --> 02:42:06,880
non-witnesses couldn't believe the

4614
02:42:11,349 --> 02:42:09,840
primary witnesses maybe i don't know

4615
02:42:17,110 --> 02:42:11,359
um

4616
02:42:18,950 --> 02:42:17,120
the late 1800s were showing up their

4617
02:42:20,550 --> 02:42:18,960
craft was in trouble okay could you give

4618
02:42:22,710 --> 02:42:20,560
us some water you know that kind of

4619
02:42:24,710 --> 02:42:22,720
stuff was going on you had the contact

4620
02:42:26,070 --> 02:42:24,720
d's which they may all have had real

4621
02:42:28,230 --> 02:42:26,080
experiences but it may have been

4622
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:28,240
something that was either created for

4623
02:42:32,710 --> 02:42:30,319
their reality you know manipulating

4624
02:42:35,590 --> 02:42:32,720
their perceptions or something that they

4625
02:42:38,550 --> 02:42:35,600
had expected and the phenomenon was

4626
02:42:41,349 --> 02:42:38,560
using that to show its

4627
02:42:43,269 --> 02:42:41,359
not true form but the form they expected

4628
02:42:44,870 --> 02:42:43,279
um

4629
02:42:46,550 --> 02:42:44,880
have you tried the technique from his

4630
02:42:49,030 --> 02:42:46,560
book it's pretty straightforward i've

4631
02:42:50,150 --> 02:42:49,040
had interesting results i have

4632
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:50,160
um

4633
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:51,840
i did have some one person asked me to

4634
02:42:55,510 --> 02:42:53,600
try healing on their mom and i did i

4635
02:42:57,670 --> 02:42:55,520
never heard back from them but

4636
02:42:59,269 --> 02:42:57,680
i'm a beginner so it's not somebody you

4637
02:42:59,990 --> 02:42:59,279
know i'm like once again don't rely on

4638
02:43:01,670 --> 02:43:00,000
me

4639
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:01,680
but what people don't know which i did

4640
02:43:05,990 --> 02:43:03,200
not talk about because it's even more

4641
02:43:07,670 --> 02:43:06,000
controversial as he claims that

4642
02:43:10,150 --> 02:43:07,680
when you go through the list of 20 you

4643
02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:10,160
come up with a list of 20 20 things that

4644
02:43:13,110 --> 02:43:11,520
you want

4645
02:43:14,870 --> 02:43:13,120
just an example of how you come up with

4646
02:43:17,429 --> 02:43:14,880
each one if i have a broken leg and i

4647
02:43:18,870 --> 02:43:17,439
want to be able to heal that leg so i'm

4648
02:43:21,030 --> 02:43:18,880
running around

4649
02:43:23,830 --> 02:43:21,040
i don't concentrate on on the leg the

4650
02:43:26,309 --> 02:43:23,840
image i come up with and i write it down

4651
02:43:28,870 --> 02:43:26,319
is an image of me running

4652
02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:28,880
so if that is true that means my leg is

4653
02:43:33,030 --> 02:43:31,200
not broken so that's what you do if you

4654
02:43:34,630 --> 02:43:33,040
want money you don't think of money you

4655
02:43:36,550 --> 02:43:34,640
think of what you would have if you had

4656
02:43:39,030 --> 02:43:36,560
money just like

4657
02:43:40,710 --> 02:43:39,040
a nice house or you're eating at a

4658
02:43:43,030 --> 02:43:40,720
restaurant you like it's so that's how

4659
02:43:44,230 --> 02:43:43,040
it is you make 20 of those and you

4660
02:43:45,750 --> 02:43:44,240
you have

4661
02:43:47,429 --> 02:43:45,760
an emotion attached to it it doesn't

4662
02:43:49,269 --> 02:43:47,439
have to be positive it can be negative

4663
02:43:50,870 --> 02:43:49,279
any emotion affects it and he's not the

4664
02:43:52,630 --> 02:43:50,880
first one who has said that

4665
02:43:54,150 --> 02:43:52,640
with manifesting techniques and i know a

4666
02:43:56,389 --> 02:43:54,160
lot of people think manifesting is

4667
02:43:58,389 --> 02:43:56,399
nonsense whatever the manifesting

4668
02:44:00,550 --> 02:43:58,399
technique heals mice i don't care what

4669
02:44:02,950 --> 02:44:00,560
people say the studies are there he

4670
02:44:05,110 --> 02:44:02,960
claims you get things on your list by

4671
02:44:06,550 --> 02:44:05,120
doing that technique whether or not

4672
02:44:08,710 --> 02:44:06,560
that's true that's

4673
02:44:10,230 --> 02:44:08,720
pretty much impossible to prove

4674
02:44:11,349 --> 02:44:10,240
you would not be able to prove i mean i

4675
02:44:12,870 --> 02:44:11,359
guess

4676
02:44:14,150 --> 02:44:12,880
if you did it over and over and over

4677
02:44:16,150 --> 02:44:14,160
again you were getting things on your

4678
02:44:17,590 --> 02:44:16,160
list you know i had some experiences

4679
02:44:20,550 --> 02:44:17,600
with it seemed like it worked but who

4680
02:44:22,230 --> 02:44:20,560
the hell knows if my cycling

4681
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:22,240
was what helped my you know i had a

4682
02:44:25,190 --> 02:44:23,279
couple of health problems that

4683
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:25,200
disappeared i don't know

4684
02:44:29,190 --> 02:44:27,279
i didn't get the convertible i wanted

4685
02:44:30,790 --> 02:44:29,200
i'm not a big car person but i wanted a

4686
02:44:33,349 --> 02:44:30,800
convertible because i had years ago i

4687
02:44:35,510 --> 02:44:33,359
had rented a car in in the beach la

4688
02:44:37,429 --> 02:44:35,520
manhattan beach and it was so nice and

4689
02:44:39,349 --> 02:44:37,439
vegas during the non-summer times is

4690
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:39,359
great so i just wanted like even a used

4691
02:44:43,349 --> 02:44:40,720
convertible just something where i had

4692
02:44:45,030 --> 02:44:43,359
the top up

4693
02:44:46,389 --> 02:44:45,040
didn't get it uh i personally think your

4694
02:44:47,910 --> 02:44:46,399
frequency will attract the types of

4695
02:44:50,150 --> 02:44:47,920
beings that resonate

4696
02:44:51,750 --> 02:44:50,160
that very well could be the case

4697
02:44:54,870 --> 02:44:51,760
yeah i've heard that so many times

4698
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:54,880
through studying basic metaphysics

4699
02:44:58,469 --> 02:44:56,080
you know

4700
02:44:59,990 --> 02:44:58,479
and that is definitely connected to

4701
02:45:01,269 --> 02:45:00,000
you read some of those books from the

4702
02:45:03,830 --> 02:45:01,279
old days

4703
02:45:05,030 --> 02:45:03,840
think and grow rich and there's a lot of

4704
02:45:07,030 --> 02:45:05,040
books like that

4705
02:45:09,510 --> 02:45:07,040
mitch mitch horowitz is such a great

4706
02:45:11,349 --> 02:45:09,520
resource for manifesting down to earth

4707
02:45:12,790 --> 02:45:11,359
i've taken one of his classes in la it

4708
02:45:14,389 --> 02:45:12,800
was really great it was like a three

4709
02:45:16,389 --> 02:45:14,399
hour lecture the person i brought with

4710
02:45:17,910 --> 02:45:16,399
me had never heard something

4711
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:17,920
specifically like that she's like this

4712
02:45:22,550 --> 02:45:19,920
is life-changing information so it was

4713
02:45:23,910 --> 02:45:22,560
really great um

4714
02:45:25,910 --> 02:45:23,920
there are groups that get together on

4715
02:45:27,429 --> 02:45:25,920
practice banks and cycling yeah i need

4716
02:45:29,030 --> 02:45:27,439
to get a group because i have not done

4717
02:45:30,389 --> 02:45:29,040
it just like i never followed up with my

4718
02:45:31,429 --> 02:45:30,399
remote viewing

4719
02:45:33,750 --> 02:45:31,439
um

4720
02:45:36,070 --> 02:45:33,760
practice

4721
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:36,080
my thoughts on whitley um he's the one

4722
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:38,000
that introduced me to that book i was

4723
02:45:41,110 --> 02:45:39,760
talking about earlier which i'll put in

4724
02:45:43,269 --> 02:45:41,120
the notes later

4725
02:45:45,510 --> 02:45:43,279
um i think whitley's had real

4726
02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:45,520
experiences i don't know if he

4727
02:45:49,670 --> 02:45:47,680
if he embellishes it all with his you

4728
02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:49,680
know he's an amazing fiction writer he

4729
02:45:52,790 --> 02:45:51,920
was before his experiences

4730
02:45:54,389 --> 02:45:52,800
um

4731
02:45:55,269 --> 02:45:54,399
good night tom

4732
02:45:57,510 --> 02:45:55,279
so

4733
02:45:59,429 --> 02:45:57,520
i like whitley i i went to malibu a

4734
02:46:01,030 --> 02:45:59,439
couple of years ago and he was lecturing

4735
02:46:03,349 --> 02:46:01,040
in somebody's house it was like 20

4736
02:46:05,830 --> 02:46:03,359
people it was like 20 bucks it was great

4737
02:46:07,429 --> 02:46:05,840
i mean it was such a great atmosphere

4738
02:46:09,590 --> 02:46:07,439
the weather was perfect and he just

4739
02:46:11,110 --> 02:46:09,600
spoke about his experiences um

4740
02:46:14,790 --> 02:46:11,120
i have a whole blog i think i

4741
02:46:19,830 --> 02:46:17,830
yeah i don't know if i manifest but i am

4742
02:46:22,469 --> 02:46:19,840
interested in it travis taylor gets a

4743
02:46:23,429 --> 02:46:22,479
lot of heat for talking about the secret

4744
02:46:25,269 --> 02:46:23,439
um

4745
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:25,279
the secret is very hollywood-ish that's

4746
02:46:29,110 --> 02:46:27,520
why mitch horowitz is such a better

4747
02:46:30,630 --> 02:46:29,120
resource if you're interested in that

4748
02:46:32,870 --> 02:46:30,640
stuff and i do realize a lot of people

4749
02:46:34,070 --> 02:46:32,880
think it's nonsense which is fine um i

4750
02:46:35,510 --> 02:46:34,080
can't prove any of that but i'm

4751
02:46:37,110 --> 02:46:35,520
interested in it if there's something to

4752
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:37,120
the quantum physics double slit

4753
02:46:41,830 --> 02:46:39,600
experiment where maybe instead of a

4754
02:46:43,750 --> 02:46:41,840
measuring device is affecting the the

4755
02:46:45,269 --> 02:46:43,760
experiment maybe where it's affecting

4756
02:46:47,349 --> 02:46:45,279
the experiment and it's not just on a

4757
02:46:49,590 --> 02:46:47,359
quantum level it's on a macro level too

4758
02:46:52,230 --> 02:46:49,600
i don't know lou talks about quantum

4759
02:46:53,830 --> 02:46:52,240
physics you know so

4760
02:46:55,670 --> 02:46:53,840
definitely interested in it have you

4761
02:46:57,910 --> 02:46:55,680
ever read the book children childhoods

4762
02:46:59,349 --> 02:46:57,920
and i have not

4763
02:47:01,910 --> 02:46:59,359
childhoods and

4764
02:47:03,830 --> 02:47:01,920
it's an interesting theory

4765
02:47:05,750 --> 02:47:03,840
the cycling is mainly to distract you

4766
02:47:07,429 --> 02:47:05,760
and let healing happen it keeps your ego

4767
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:07,439
out of the way and that's how remote

4768
02:47:11,429 --> 02:47:09,760
viewing works put off and swan and other

4769
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:11,439
folks came up with a technique to

4770
02:47:15,269 --> 02:47:13,040
distract you so when you're going

4771
02:47:17,429 --> 02:47:15,279
through these mundane things you're

4772
02:47:19,830 --> 02:47:17,439
tapping your paper and you're saying

4773
02:47:21,590 --> 02:47:19,840
colors textures sounds all of a sudden

4774
02:47:23,110 --> 02:47:21,600
stuff pops into your head you're like oh

4775
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:23,120
i just imagined that so you write it

4776
02:47:29,510 --> 02:47:26,640
down you say it out loud blue

4777
02:47:31,429 --> 02:47:29,520
large dirt sandy salty that's how it

4778
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:31,439
works and then you check and a lot of

4779
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:33,520
times you're accurate although a lot of

4780
02:47:36,550 --> 02:47:35,520
times my stuff was garbage

4781
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:36,560
um

4782
02:47:39,510 --> 02:47:38,000
i would not give my credit for an

4783
02:47:41,429 --> 02:47:39,520
accurate remote viewing i was very tough

4784
02:47:42,870 --> 02:47:41,439
on myself which is the way you should be

4785
02:47:44,630 --> 02:47:42,880
have you watched chuck missler in his

4786
02:47:48,870 --> 02:47:44,640
lectures on ufo phenomena vis-a-vis

4787
02:47:51,429 --> 02:47:48,880
watchers nephilim god satan i have not

4788
02:47:53,190 --> 02:47:51,439
i have to remember this stuff um i guess

4789
02:47:54,550 --> 02:47:53,200
i can go back chuck missile i'll write

4790
02:47:59,030 --> 02:47:54,560
it down it's hard for me to keep up with

4791
02:48:02,389 --> 02:48:00,790
even so i'm interviewing somebody in

4792
02:48:03,910 --> 02:48:02,399
september i'll say it here it's not a

4793
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:03,920
secret i just want to be able to read

4794
02:48:07,750 --> 02:48:05,600
her book before i'm done

4795
02:48:10,870 --> 02:48:07,760
so i'm interviewing

4796
02:48:12,870 --> 02:48:10,880
um emma woods who has had

4797
02:48:14,870 --> 02:48:12,880
her lifelong experiences and she had

4798
02:48:16,630 --> 02:48:14,880
negative experiences allegedly with

4799
02:48:18,550 --> 02:48:16,640
david jacobs i think you guys are aware

4800
02:48:19,830 --> 02:48:18,560
of that case so i'm going to interview

4801
02:48:21,510 --> 02:48:19,840
her um

4802
02:48:23,110 --> 02:48:21,520
that's early september i just need to

4803
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:23,120
read her book

4804
02:48:26,469 --> 02:48:24,960
and she'll take questions related to her

4805
02:48:28,790 --> 02:48:26,479
book uh we're not going to focus on

4806
02:48:31,750 --> 02:48:28,800
jacobs it'll come up of course but not

4807
02:48:33,429 --> 02:48:31,760
going to focus on what happened and the

4808
02:48:35,429 --> 02:48:33,439
accusation of

4809
02:48:39,750 --> 02:48:35,439
improper

4810
02:48:44,150 --> 02:48:39,760
research techniques on

4811
02:48:50,469 --> 02:48:45,630
let me get rid of some of the um

4812
02:48:56,309 --> 02:48:52,309
some of the

4813
02:48:59,830 --> 02:48:58,230
let's see

4814
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:59,840
maybe you didn't get that convertible

4815
02:49:03,590 --> 02:49:01,120
because the universe gives you what you

4816
02:49:04,870 --> 02:49:03,600
need and not what you want um

4817
02:49:06,630 --> 02:49:04,880
that could be the case it's funny

4818
02:49:08,550 --> 02:49:06,640
because

4819
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:08,560
the bank the banks thing the bankston

4820
02:49:12,070 --> 02:49:09,680
stuff there's so many interesting

4821
02:49:14,150 --> 02:49:12,080
details to the banks and stuff he's like

4822
02:49:16,950 --> 02:49:14,160
the more aggressive the cancer the more

4823
02:49:18,550 --> 02:49:16,960
quick it gets healed so it's the energy

4824
02:49:20,230 --> 02:49:18,560
quote-unquote energy within the system

4825
02:49:22,309 --> 02:49:20,240
drives it and it's not

4826
02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:22,319
it's more about the person getting

4827
02:49:27,030 --> 02:49:24,880
healed not the ability of the healer and

4828
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:27,040
the more mice are that are part of the

4829
02:49:31,269 --> 02:49:29,279
group that are getting attempted to get

4830
02:49:33,830 --> 02:49:31,279
that you're attempting to heal

4831
02:49:36,790 --> 02:49:33,840
the quicker it happens the more robust

4832
02:49:38,389 --> 02:49:36,800
the effect is so it's not more healers

4833
02:49:40,070 --> 02:49:38,399
i've been to meditation conferences i

4834
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:40,080
used to work they would have a whole

4835
02:49:44,389 --> 02:49:41,920
bunch of healers like eight healers

4836
02:49:46,630 --> 02:49:44,399
behind around the person but bankston's

4837
02:49:48,870 --> 02:49:46,640
like no it's more about more people who

4838
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:48,880
want to get healed is more important you

4839
02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:50,720
can have one healer and then 50 people

4840
02:49:55,510 --> 02:49:54,000
who need healed that should work better

4841
02:49:57,590 --> 02:49:55,520
if the mice

4842
02:50:00,150 --> 02:49:57,600
results you know translate into human

4843
02:50:02,550 --> 02:50:00,160
results not more healers more people

4844
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:02,560
more kilis so that would be the mice

4845
02:50:06,950 --> 02:50:04,640
needing healing it's it's it's need it's

4846
02:50:09,190 --> 02:50:06,960
the need of the person the need of the

4847
02:50:10,950 --> 02:50:09,200
mice the meat of need of the mouse or

4848
02:50:13,750 --> 02:50:10,960
the mice the mice sorry my mouth's

4849
02:50:17,510 --> 02:50:13,760
getting dry i know bots are i i never

4850
02:50:20,389 --> 02:50:17,520
experienced bots like that kurt um

4851
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:20,399
i know it's like i wanted so it was joe

4852
02:50:25,510 --> 02:50:22,800
it was joe dispenza who was very popular

4853
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:25,520
i was working camera for his

4854
02:50:30,150 --> 02:50:27,520
healing conferences they weren't just

4855
02:50:32,309 --> 02:50:30,160
healing they were i'd say healings last

4856
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:32,319
manifesting they were great um and i got

4857
02:50:35,750 --> 02:50:34,240
to meditate with them because the lights

4858
02:50:38,230 --> 02:50:35,760
would go out there was no camera work to

4859
02:50:40,309 --> 02:50:38,240
do so i got to do that i got paid

4860
02:50:42,150 --> 02:50:40,319
um i don't do those anymore because they

4861
02:50:44,469 --> 02:50:42,160
changed the way they were shooting those

4862
02:50:45,830 --> 02:50:44,479
but yeah i wanted to say and i wasn't

4863
02:50:48,150 --> 02:50:45,840
able to approach him

4864
02:50:49,830 --> 02:50:48,160
don't have a whole bunch of healers

4865
02:50:51,510 --> 02:50:49,840
have one healer with all the people

4866
02:50:53,670 --> 02:50:51,520
getting healed put a hundred people in

4867
02:50:54,950 --> 02:50:53,680
here with maybe 10 healers and see what

4868
02:50:58,710 --> 02:50:54,960
happens but

4869
02:51:02,309 --> 02:51:00,230
um

4870
02:51:05,190 --> 02:51:02,319
is the one who leaked them on this

4871
02:51:06,790 --> 02:51:05,200
interview yes early on um there really

4872
02:51:08,630 --> 02:51:06,800
wasn't much to it and i wouldn't even

4873
02:51:10,870 --> 02:51:08,640
call it a leak he put him online because

4874
02:51:12,469 --> 02:51:10,880
grant asked him grant gave it to him

4875
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:12,479
grant gave them to chase i don't know if

4876
02:51:15,990 --> 02:51:14,160
grant specifically asked him but chase

4877
02:51:17,590 --> 02:51:16,000
put him on injure and then they made it

4878
02:51:19,670 --> 02:51:17,600
to reddit and then twitter

4879
02:51:21,990 --> 02:51:19,680
i don't even think the original

4880
02:51:24,150 --> 02:51:22,000
leak from the edgar mitchell estate is a

4881
02:51:26,550 --> 02:51:24,160
leak you know they made their way out of

4882
02:51:28,790 --> 02:51:26,560
the estate because edgar mitchell died

4883
02:51:30,550 --> 02:51:28,800
the spaceman who was close to edgar

4884
02:51:33,429 --> 02:51:30,560
mitchell got all of his belongings

4885
02:51:35,429 --> 02:51:33,439
related to ufos and space and psychic

4886
02:51:37,110 --> 02:51:35,439
you know phenomenon that edgar mitchell

4887
02:51:39,910 --> 02:51:37,120
was interested in

4888
02:51:41,830 --> 02:51:39,920
james rigney met the space man was able

4889
02:51:43,670 --> 02:51:41,840
to make photocopies

4890
02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:43,680
grant met

4891
02:51:47,910 --> 02:51:46,399
rigney in 2018 at a conference in in

4892
02:51:49,190 --> 02:51:47,920
lawful and nevada about an hour and a

4893
02:51:51,590 --> 02:51:49,200
half from here

4894
02:51:54,309 --> 02:51:51,600
grant got copies

4895
02:51:55,990 --> 02:51:54,319
chase found out chase put him on injure

4896
02:51:58,550 --> 02:51:56,000
so that's what happened not really a

4897
02:52:02,790 --> 02:52:00,950
no problem mark you go early on we

4898
02:52:04,950 --> 02:52:02,800
didn't spend too much time on wilson

4899
02:52:06,790 --> 02:52:04,960
davis which is fine i mean

4900
02:52:09,269 --> 02:52:06,800
i'll answer as many questions as people

4901
02:52:11,110 --> 02:52:09,279
want i have my own sources that

4902
02:52:12,870 --> 02:52:11,120
i have no doubt they're legitimate and

4903
02:52:14,870 --> 02:52:12,880
eric davis interviewed wilson even

4904
02:52:17,670 --> 02:52:14,880
though wilson denies it and his denials

4905
02:52:19,190 --> 02:52:17,680
are really really good um

4906
02:52:21,190 --> 02:52:19,200
evangelical

4907
02:52:22,950 --> 02:52:21,200
faith healers any stats i don't have any

4908
02:52:26,150 --> 02:52:22,960
stats but i wouldn't be surprised if

4909
02:52:27,670 --> 02:52:26,160
some people do get healed um

4910
02:52:29,750 --> 02:52:27,680
where is that healing coming from i

4911
02:52:31,910 --> 02:52:29,760
don't know i don't think every person

4912
02:52:33,990 --> 02:52:31,920
who claims to be healed is lying i don't

4913
02:52:36,469 --> 02:52:34,000
think it's some god interfering and

4914
02:52:37,830 --> 02:52:36,479
saying we're gonna heal you now

4915
02:52:39,510 --> 02:52:37,840
so i don't think that's what's going on

4916
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:39,520
but it's possible

4917
02:52:42,630 --> 02:52:41,120
in that scenario people are getting

4918
02:52:44,070 --> 02:52:42,640
healed i'm just not we still don't know

4919
02:52:46,070 --> 02:52:44,080
how it works

4920
02:52:47,429 --> 02:52:46,080
uh bankston talks about reiki and other

4921
02:52:49,269 --> 02:52:47,439
healing techniques he's like yeah i

4922
02:52:51,030 --> 02:52:49,279
don't know he goes all i know is my

4923
02:52:52,870 --> 02:52:51,040
healing technique works and he learned

4924
02:52:55,830 --> 02:52:52,880
it from benjamin merrick who was a

4925
02:52:57,910 --> 02:52:55,840
psychic who then also learned to heal

4926
02:52:59,910 --> 02:52:57,920
and then grant said he learned it

4927
02:53:02,230 --> 02:52:59,920
supposedly benjamin merrick believed he

4928
02:53:04,309 --> 02:53:02,240
was from alpha centauri i have i've read

4929
02:53:06,309 --> 02:53:04,319
that in the book bankston also goes a

4930
02:53:07,429 --> 02:53:06,319
little woo at the end talking about the

4931
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:07,439
fellas

4932
02:53:11,910 --> 02:53:09,600
he would see them barely with other

4933
02:53:13,750 --> 02:53:11,920
people and it was almost like sparkling

4934
02:53:15,830 --> 02:53:13,760
you know it's almost like these

4935
02:53:17,269 --> 02:53:15,840
intelligences are from some other

4936
02:53:18,950 --> 02:53:17,279
dimension and occasionally they would

4937
02:53:20,630 --> 02:53:18,960
show themselves and benson's like i

4938
02:53:22,469 --> 02:53:20,640
don't know if they're real or if they're

4939
02:53:25,190 --> 02:53:22,479
just a figment of my imagination or it's

4940
02:53:27,510 --> 02:53:25,200
part of my higher self whatever the case

4941
02:53:28,550 --> 02:53:27,520
you know it was interesting

4942
02:53:30,389 --> 02:53:28,560
um

4943
02:53:32,070 --> 02:53:30,399
i liked seeing him go there when he's

4944
02:53:34,150 --> 02:53:32,080
talking about multiple witnesses which

4945
02:53:35,910 --> 02:53:34,160
we all want multiple witnesses these

4946
02:53:38,389 --> 02:53:35,920
these things whatever they were showing

4947
02:53:41,190 --> 02:53:38,399
up the fellas i've tweeted that whole

4948
02:53:44,550 --> 02:53:41,200
story from the book on you on twitter if

4949
02:53:46,710 --> 02:53:44,560
you type in at the ufo joe and fellas

4950
02:53:48,630 --> 02:53:46,720
you might be able to find that or i'll

4951
02:53:50,550 --> 02:53:48,640
i'll retweet it tonight

4952
02:53:51,990 --> 02:53:50,560
gary nolan talks about artifacts he

4953
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:52,000
places on the table when talking with

4954
02:53:55,510 --> 02:53:53,520
people like valet it isn't something

4955
02:53:57,110 --> 02:53:55,520
that works with crash retrievals reverse

4956
02:53:59,349 --> 02:53:57,120
engineering is not possible because it

4957
02:54:01,670 --> 02:53:59,359
doesn't work yeah maybe maybe it's a

4958
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:01,680
whole big scam by whatever this

4959
02:54:06,469 --> 02:54:03,920
intelligence is to make us think that we

4960
02:54:08,469 --> 02:54:06,479
can reverse engineer the craft meanwhile

4961
02:54:10,389 --> 02:54:08,479
there's no way in hell will ever reverse

4962
02:54:12,469 --> 02:54:10,399
engineer it it's just you know

4963
02:54:14,469 --> 02:54:12,479
for whatever reason they're tricking us

4964
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:14,479
grant thinks it's

4965
02:54:18,070 --> 02:54:16,240
it's because we don't know how to use

4966
02:54:19,110 --> 02:54:18,080
consciousness to control the vehicles

4967
02:54:20,870 --> 02:54:19,120
maybe

4968
02:54:22,469 --> 02:54:20,880
i also like the theory that the

4969
02:54:24,150 --> 02:54:22,479
technology will never work because

4970
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:24,160
because it was never intended to work

4971
02:54:27,510 --> 02:54:25,840
it's it's just intended to get us

4972
02:54:29,910 --> 02:54:27,520
thinking or somebody's just playing a

4973
02:54:32,070 --> 02:54:29,920
cosmic joke on us i think john keel has

4974
02:54:36,389 --> 02:54:32,080
used cosmic joke in his book

4975
02:54:40,550 --> 02:54:38,070
now i'm losing my mind um

4976
02:54:42,630 --> 02:54:40,560
[Music]

4977
02:54:48,150 --> 02:54:42,640
john keel's book

4978
02:54:51,269 --> 02:54:49,910
do you think there is an inner circle

4979
02:54:53,190 --> 02:54:51,279
within the government that knows the

4980
02:54:55,030 --> 02:54:53,200
truth and is running interference and

4981
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:55,040
muddying the waters as much as possible

4982
02:55:00,950 --> 02:54:58,160
to shape disclosure for their benefit

4983
02:55:03,349 --> 02:55:00,960
short answer

4984
02:55:04,790 --> 02:55:03,359
very possible that there i do think

4985
02:55:06,070 --> 02:55:04,800
there are people in the programs

4986
02:55:07,750 --> 02:55:06,080
especially the people who run the

4987
02:55:10,150 --> 02:55:07,760
programs who know a hell of a lot more

4988
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:10,160
than us um will miller has talked about

4989
02:55:13,910 --> 02:55:11,840
different control groups that control

4990
02:55:15,429 --> 02:55:13,920
different aspects of the phenomenon i

4991
02:55:17,349 --> 02:55:15,439
think it would be a very small amount of

4992
02:55:19,110 --> 02:55:17,359
people um

4993
02:55:20,150 --> 02:55:19,120
lewis talked about louis zondo has

4994
02:55:21,990 --> 02:55:20,160
talked about

4995
02:55:24,389 --> 02:55:22,000
you know people and it's in skin workers

4996
02:55:25,990 --> 02:55:24,399
at the pentagon where lou says he knows

4997
02:55:27,750 --> 02:55:26,000
his close colleague has encountered

4998
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:27,760
people who

4999
02:55:31,750 --> 02:55:29,439
you know have had

5000
02:55:33,830 --> 02:55:31,760
their data stolen ufo related data they

5001
02:55:35,190 --> 02:55:33,840
confiscate it and they intimidate people

5002
02:55:36,710 --> 02:55:35,200
is that connected to that and then you

5003
02:55:37,910 --> 02:55:36,720
have skin walkers at the pentagon we're

5004
02:55:39,750 --> 02:55:37,920
talking about

5005
02:55:42,070 --> 02:55:39,760
that happened in a north georgia case

5006
02:55:43,990 --> 02:55:42,080
where these people it was traced back to

5007
02:55:46,469 --> 02:55:44,000
homeland security so is that really a

5008
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:46,479
black budget project i mean maybe it is

5009
02:55:50,550 --> 02:55:48,880
within homeland security i don't know

5010
02:55:51,910 --> 02:55:50,560
i do think that's certain people know

5011
02:55:53,110 --> 02:55:51,920
what's going on and they do not want

5012
02:55:55,030 --> 02:55:53,120
this out

5013
02:55:56,870 --> 02:55:55,040
gary nolan knows more than he is saying

5014
02:55:58,070 --> 02:55:56,880
but i think he does

5015
02:56:00,550 --> 02:55:58,080
he is one of the horsemen that will

5016
02:56:03,030 --> 02:56:00,560
carry that tells yeah 100

5017
02:56:05,670 --> 02:56:03,040
uh nola knows more than he can say

5018
02:56:06,469 --> 02:56:05,680
um how much more i don't know

5019
02:56:08,309 --> 02:56:06,479
but

5020
02:56:10,469 --> 02:56:08,319
then that interview with tucker carlson

5021
02:56:12,870 --> 02:56:10,479
should get more that's that needs to be

5022
02:56:14,790 --> 02:56:12,880
mainstream not on some pay

5023
02:56:16,150 --> 02:56:14,800
you know behind a paywall even though

5024
02:56:17,190 --> 02:56:16,160
people aren't gonna you know have to

5025
02:56:19,349 --> 02:56:17,200
half the country's not gonna watch

5026
02:56:20,870 --> 02:56:19,359
tucker carlson anyway but

5027
02:56:24,150 --> 02:56:20,880
what about merc yeah i don't know

5028
02:56:26,790 --> 02:56:24,160
mercure but physics um

5029
02:56:29,750 --> 02:56:26,800
no need for et tech maybe our dna is as

5030
02:56:32,389 --> 02:56:29,760
far as the e-take tech goes i mean

5031
02:56:35,269 --> 02:56:32,399
what's interesting on dna is that book i

5032
02:56:37,190 --> 02:56:35,279
talked about they say that these plasma

5033
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:37,200
a certain point they turn into the

5034
02:56:40,230 --> 02:56:38,960
double helix and it splits into two and

5035
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:40,240
then it replicates and replicates and

5036
02:56:43,429 --> 02:56:42,000
replicates i'm sorry i can't answer that

5037
02:56:45,590 --> 02:56:43,439
joe i don't know

5038
02:56:47,349 --> 02:56:45,600
above my pay grade or are we trying to

5039
02:56:48,630 --> 02:56:47,359
figure out how a car works and all you

5040
02:56:50,790 --> 02:56:48,640
have is a

5041
02:56:52,790 --> 02:56:50,800
piece of a broken muffler maybe i don't

5042
02:56:54,870 --> 02:56:52,800
know i don't know

5043
02:56:57,190 --> 02:56:54,880
i mean will miller thinks we've cracked

5044
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:57,200
gravity and we can travel any place any

5045
02:57:01,590 --> 02:56:59,840
time in the universe chase was

5046
02:57:03,190 --> 02:57:01,600
i mean he believes it's a crap we have

5047
02:57:04,950 --> 02:57:03,200
craft that we

5048
02:57:06,870 --> 02:57:04,960
back engineered related to whatever

5049
02:57:08,950 --> 02:57:06,880
technology we have from

5050
02:57:11,110 --> 02:57:08,960
them in his opinion

5051
02:57:13,910 --> 02:57:11,120
i think he says uh very possible it was

5052
02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:13,920
back engineered from them

5053
02:57:17,990 --> 02:57:15,760
was it john kael that likened ufos to

5054
02:57:20,870 --> 02:57:18,000
being like us teasing a cat with a laser

5055
02:57:23,750 --> 02:57:20,880
pointer i think so it's like

5056
02:57:25,990 --> 02:57:23,760
let us catch the laser already in my

5057
02:57:28,389 --> 02:57:26,000
lifetime i mean maybe it's trying to get

5058
02:57:29,910 --> 02:57:28,399
us to evolve to a higher level i don't

5059
02:57:32,230 --> 02:57:29,920
know i mean

5060
02:57:33,910 --> 02:57:32,240
um and if we do get hurt or killed in

5061
02:57:36,630 --> 02:57:33,920
the process well they may be thinking

5062
02:57:38,870 --> 02:57:36,640
well there's life after death who cares

5063
02:57:40,710 --> 02:57:38,880
i don't know um but that i'm really look

5064
02:57:42,389 --> 02:57:40,720
i started reading that book

5065
02:57:44,630 --> 02:57:42,399
and i've heard people talk about plasma

5066
02:57:46,950 --> 02:57:44,640
before it's not really new people on

5067
02:57:48,870 --> 02:57:46,960
twitter were talking about it

5068
02:57:50,309 --> 02:57:48,880
it's mentioned in that book

5069
02:57:52,230 --> 02:57:50,319
um not that it represents the

5070
02:57:54,389 --> 02:57:52,240
intelligence but it's maybe some way for

5071
02:57:56,550 --> 02:57:54,399
the intelligence to communicate through

5072
02:57:58,469 --> 02:57:56,560
that plasma to us

5073
02:58:00,070 --> 02:57:58,479
i'm still not sure of the theory of what

5074
02:58:01,990 --> 02:58:00,080
they're saying but i will i will

5075
02:58:03,030 --> 02:58:02,000
definitely interview them

5076
02:58:04,630 --> 02:58:03,040
um

5077
02:58:05,910 --> 02:58:04,640
because they connected to keel and i

5078
02:58:07,590 --> 02:58:05,920
love kiel

5079
02:58:09,429 --> 02:58:07,600
uh if i could

5080
02:58:11,269 --> 02:58:09,439
i think i want to take a 30-hour drive

5081
02:58:12,710 --> 02:58:11,279
and listen to and by the way people are

5082
02:58:14,550 --> 02:58:12,720
like you shouldn't listen to just john

5083
02:58:16,150 --> 02:58:14,560
keel it's negative it's scary we have

5084
02:58:17,590 --> 02:58:16,160
enough scary things in this world i'm

5085
02:58:19,830 --> 02:58:17,600
like

5086
02:58:21,510 --> 02:58:19,840
i don't just read peel it's just lately

5087
02:58:23,910 --> 02:58:21,520
i've liked keel i mean i started reading

5088
02:58:25,830 --> 02:58:23,920
books in 96 when i first got into this

5089
02:58:27,349 --> 02:58:25,840
and a lot of them were positive

5090
02:58:29,269 --> 02:58:27,359
channeled books you know they're here to

5091
02:58:30,950 --> 02:58:29,279
help us all that stuff

5092
02:58:32,389 --> 02:58:30,960
you know i don't think that's the case i

5093
02:58:34,230 --> 02:58:32,399
hope that's the case you hear banks and

5094
02:58:35,269 --> 02:58:34,240
talk about the fellas i hope they're

5095
02:58:36,710 --> 02:58:35,279
positive

5096
02:58:38,630 --> 02:58:36,720
who knows maybe they're are they

5097
02:58:40,870 --> 02:58:38,640
connected to the same intelligence that

5098
02:58:43,110 --> 02:58:40,880
you know people get injured like in the

5099
02:58:45,030 --> 02:58:43,120
story in skin workers at the pentagon

5100
02:58:48,070 --> 02:58:45,040
the daughter and her father are driving

5101
02:58:49,910 --> 02:58:48,080
in band oregon and she sees these orbs

5102
02:58:51,510 --> 02:58:49,920
off in the distance

5103
02:58:53,670 --> 02:58:51,520
and it's funny because in that other

5104
02:58:56,389 --> 02:58:53,680
book i mentioned

5105
02:58:59,349 --> 02:58:56,399
they suggest maybe once this phenomenon

5106
02:59:00,870 --> 02:58:59,359
recognizes that you recognize it it

5107
02:59:02,070 --> 02:59:00,880
it comes to you know it gravitates

5108
02:59:04,230 --> 02:59:02,080
towards you and then it won't leave you

5109
02:59:06,230 --> 02:59:04,240
alone maybe that's the skinwalker thing

5110
02:59:08,389 --> 02:59:06,240
driving down the highway bend oregon ron

5111
02:59:10,070 --> 02:59:08,399
becker his daughter she notices these

5112
02:59:11,269 --> 02:59:10,080
orbs they come into the car they come

5113
02:59:13,670 --> 02:59:11,279
into the car

5114
02:59:16,070 --> 02:59:13,680
one of the orbs goes through his arm

5115
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:16,080
he gets cancer that night he has a dream

5116
02:59:19,910 --> 02:59:18,080
they say we're gonna fix this well he

5117
02:59:21,190 --> 02:59:19,920
got cancer they didn't fix anything she

5118
02:59:23,269 --> 02:59:21,200
goes back home to the east coast in

5119
02:59:25,110 --> 02:59:23,279
connecticut has poltergeist like like

5120
02:59:27,349 --> 02:59:25,120
activity so what the heck is going on is

5121
02:59:29,349 --> 02:59:27,359
that it's like is this thing so

5122
02:59:31,030 --> 02:59:29,359
it can't control itself or it it doesn't

5123
02:59:33,349 --> 02:59:31,040
realize it's gonna hurt a human it goes

5124
02:59:34,510 --> 02:59:33,359
into the car maybe it's not really

5125
02:59:36,469 --> 02:59:34,520
totally

5126
02:59:37,910 --> 02:59:36,479
self-controlled intelligent like we

5127
02:59:39,670 --> 02:59:37,920
think maybe there's some intelligence

5128
02:59:41,349 --> 02:59:39,680
there and it feeds off of us i don't

5129
02:59:43,670 --> 02:59:41,359
know um

5130
02:59:45,110 --> 02:59:43,680
but there's obviously radiation involved

5131
02:59:46,950 --> 02:59:45,120
some people will say well then if it's

5132
02:59:48,710 --> 02:59:46,960
radiation it's got to be human tech i

5133
02:59:50,710 --> 02:59:48,720
don't think so i think whatever this is

5134
02:59:52,309 --> 02:59:50,720
can be radioactive too especially if

5135
02:59:54,230 --> 02:59:52,319
you're dealing with plasmas which i am

5136
02:59:55,910 --> 02:59:54,240
no expert at

5137
02:59:57,830 --> 02:59:55,920
keel is pretty amazing and possibly

5138
03:00:00,630 --> 02:59:57,840
insightful what do you think attributed

5139
03:00:01,910 --> 03:00:00,640
to his potential insight i don't know

5140
03:00:04,070 --> 03:00:01,920
he's i mean

5141
03:00:05,110 --> 03:00:04,080
it's amazing that book came out in 70.

5142
03:00:07,190 --> 03:00:05,120
um

5143
03:00:08,870 --> 03:00:07,200
gary nolan told me to read it thank god

5144
03:00:10,389 --> 03:00:08,880
for gary telling me to read that eric

5145
03:00:12,469 --> 03:00:10,399
davis i told him about it he's like oh

5146
03:00:14,070 --> 03:00:12,479
yeah i read that in eighth grade um so

5147
03:00:15,110 --> 03:00:14,080
i'm a little behind the curve

5148
03:00:16,790 --> 03:00:15,120
i don't know

5149
03:00:18,309 --> 03:00:16,800
why john keel was able to put two and

5150
03:00:20,710 --> 03:00:18,319
two together i think he figured out a

5151
03:00:22,309 --> 03:00:20,720
lot of what may be going on

5152
03:00:23,429 --> 03:00:22,319
all right i'm at three hours i

5153
03:00:25,510 --> 03:00:23,439
appreciate

5154
03:00:26,790 --> 03:00:25,520
all of you sticking with me 130 for me

5155
03:00:28,870 --> 03:00:26,800
is a lot

5156
03:00:31,030 --> 03:00:28,880
and it was like 160 earlier that's

5157
03:00:33,269 --> 03:00:31,040
because we had guests hopefully chase is

5158
03:00:35,190 --> 03:00:33,279
all right i did not hear back from him

5159
03:00:37,269 --> 03:00:35,200
probably just busy

5160
03:00:39,269 --> 03:00:37,279
um and we'll have i'd have all those

5161
03:00:41,349 --> 03:00:39,279
folks on again definitely

5162
03:00:42,630 --> 03:00:41,359
chase i want to delve into his personal

5163
03:00:44,150 --> 03:00:42,640
experiences a little bit more all right

5164
03:00:45,150 --> 03:00:44,160
guys have a good night

5165
03:00:46,870 --> 03:00:45,160
i am going to

5166
03:00:50,469 --> 03:00:46,880
[Music]

5167
03:00:54,790 --> 03:00:52,870
i did i wanted to get grant to talk

5168
03:00:57,190 --> 03:00:54,800
about wow which i've been skeptical

5169
03:00:59,990 --> 03:00:57,200
about but after reading that book i

5170
03:01:01,510 --> 03:01:00,000
started you know maybe it is

5171
03:01:02,870 --> 03:01:01,520
they're trying to get our attention it

5172
03:01:06,469 --> 03:01:02,880
doesn't mean it's always going to be a

5173
03:01:08,870 --> 03:01:06,479
positive outcome but

5174
03:01:10,469 --> 03:01:08,880
i'm more open to that theory than before

5175
03:01:12,550 --> 03:01:10,479
all right guys

5176
03:01:13,590 --> 03:01:12,560
once i pull up my banner

5177
03:01:14,790 --> 03:01:13,600
i will

5178
03:01:18,710 --> 03:01:14,800
end

5179
03:01:20,150 --> 03:01:18,720
the night and eat dinner

5180
03:01:22,950 --> 03:01:20,160
thanks for the i think there was two

5181
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super chats so i appreciate that

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very much

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and

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last comments

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henry you missed everything grant

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cameron levitated it was unbelievable

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jonathan thank you

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yeah but you can watch it right now go

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back to the beginning i didn't take

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questions earlier because there was too

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many the chat was

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so fast

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alright guys

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have a good night

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oh and if you want to help like the

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video i don't usually say that but

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that's it

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oh subscribe like and subscribe like and